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re: After reading some idiotic comments I figured I’d help a few people to not be idiots...

Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:26 pm to
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:26 pm to
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women shouldn't be denied an abortion just because...


Always trying to rationalize. Would you be arguing for abortion ONLY in the specific case of pediatric rape as you described?

Nope? Didn't think so. You will argue in favor of ALL abortion for ANY reason (*convenience included*).

So stay on target and talk about horses with us, leave the unicorns for another day.
Posted by Lightning
Texas
Member since May 2014
3116 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:27 pm to
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I never said anything close to that.


Wow, do I feel silly! Glad we agree that fetuses have a right to life!
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14935 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:27 pm to
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a woman NEVER has the right to murder a baby
I'm not saying she has that right. And neither does the Supreme Court.

The question, as I see it, is when does the fetus become a human being?
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:28 pm to
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Uh, I was not talking about you


I didn't ask, nor do I care.

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Consequences? I have always seen this response as being a bit silly. Getting the abortion IS dealing with the consequences. It is simply doing so in a manner different than you would prefer.


And it's murder, execution of life, no way around it.

I'm sure there would be much more uproar if I burned a patch of small growing trees, and that is pretty telling on the moral compass.
Posted by GeorgeWest
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
14641 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:30 pm to
Murder is illegal in all 50 states and all territories of the US.

Abortion is legal in all 50 states and all territories of the US (since 1973).

Abortion is not murder as defined by US law.
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:31 pm to
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The question, as I see it, is when does the fetus become a human being?


Become human? It was never a member of any other species to begin with.
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9949 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:32 pm to
Anti-abortioners need to let this go.

This always comes down to a morals argument, and the woman's body/morals come before yours.

Accept the fact that we shouldn't push our morals onto others, and I don't want other's morals pushed into me.
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:34 pm to
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Abortion is not murder as defined by US law.


No one is arguing what the current law of the land states at the present time.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:34 pm to
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Accept the fact that we shouldn't push our morals onto others,


Lulz, as illegals come across the boarder in droves with open arms from the left for future votes all in the name of supposed compassion? Get the frick out of here.
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 9:36 pm
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
10143 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:35 pm to
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9949 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:35 pm to
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Lulz, as illegals come across the boarder in droves with open arms from the left for future votes all in the name of compassion? Get the frick out of here.


Huh? What are you saying?

I'm against open borders if you're trying to paint me as such.
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:36 pm to
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we shouldn't push our morals onto others


Wut?

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the woman's body/morals come before yours.



The developing infant has a right to life that is separate from third party judgement.

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:37 pm to
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I'm sure there would be much more uproar if I burned a patch of small growing trees, and that is pretty telling on the moral compass
I cannot speak for anyone but me, but I would not care in the slightest if you burned some saplings, as long as they were located on your property and thus yours to burn.

I do not see that I have any right to control what you do with your saplings. Sure, they had the potential to grow into beautiful trees, but maybe you burned them to make room for a house or to plant crops. Your property to do with as you please.
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 9:42 pm
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9949 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:39 pm to
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The developing infant has a right to life that is separate from third party judgement. 


Again, these are your morals and beliefs. The majority of the country does not feel this way.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:40 pm to
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Huh? What are you saying?

I'm against open borders if you're trying to paint me as such.


I'm saying this is the one issue from the right that they are continually pushing against that could either be moral, or just trying to continue consistency. There is no way around it, if you're healthy with a child inside, you are murdering a person.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14935 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:41 pm to
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The question, as I see it, is when does the fetus become a human being?

Become human? It was never a member of any other species to begin with.


What about the other half of "human being"?
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:41 pm to
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The majority of the country does not feel this way.

Is a false statement.

quote:

these are your morals and beliefs.


No, it is actually a person. Using dehumanizing language to make yourself feel better is a reflection of YOUR "morals and beliefs". It does not, however, change the fact that you are advocating for the termination of a developing infant human being, who has RIGHTS.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:42 pm to
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I cannot speak for anyone but me, but I would not care in the slightest if you burned some trees, as long as they were located on your property and thus yours to burn.


So a child inside is property of the women?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:44 pm to
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So a child inside is property of the women?
It was your analogy.

The saplings were living organisms on your property. You had the right to burn them if you chose.
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:45 pm to
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What about the other half of "human being"?


You are human throughout development. A member of our species.

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