re: Admit it, this administration is a total shitshow

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The party is a long, long way from where it was when Jack Kemp Republicans could proudly pull the lever.

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jack kemp.... yea the party was soooo great when he was on ticket.

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except for two brief periods with slim majorities, the R's didn't get the House back with any permanency until the damn 1990's


Yet from 1930s to 1990s, there were plenty of periods where conservative policy was being passed by congress. 1980s and 1990s econ policy, for example.

Many of those dems were blue dog or conservatives from the south who kept on getting reelected due to incumbency.,

On the presidential level, republicans were back in power in the 50s.


Look at another example: watergate. republicans were winning in landslides only 4 years after nixon resigne.d

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Perhaps you're right, but you know I am no chicken little. This feels different. I really, truly believe that the Republicans are going to be hurting for a good long while after this. In a way that W could never do. The vaguely racist shite all on its own that Trump spews on occasion is going to really hurt. The electorate is getting less white every single year, and I'd surmise that just demographic turnover between 2016 and 2020 all by itself, with the exact same voting patterns, would result in a D victory. And it won't be someone who might occasionally be willing to play ball like Bill.

Republicans need to keep the message focused: economic growth, fiscal health, market-based solutions for healthcare and education, RACIALLY INCLUSIVE, free speech, open markets, sustain some level (less than now, especially for 65+) of social welfare net, etc., etc.

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RACIALLY INCLUSIVE

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IMpossible to do when certain policy preferences such as less welfare, less gov't spending, are deemed racist by the media.

Impossible to do when any suggestion that immigration be reformed is deemed racist and hateful.

Abu, name me a single election in your lifetime when liberals were not calling republicans racist.

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RACIALLY INCLUSIVE
IMpossible to do when certain policy preferences such as less welfare, less gov't spending, are deemed racist by the media.

Impossible to do when any suggestion that immigration be reformed is deemed racist and hateful.

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Ignore them. They've been around forever.

Trump, in particular, inflames those things and gives an impression that he is the white man's candidate more than anything else. Look at ethnically East Asian and Indian voting patterns this past election compared to what they were before - much more heavily D than typical.

There are ways to get around that for Republicans, but this current crop isn't clever enough or smart enough to do it, especially Trump and his staff. Take away the fricking Twitter account, for starters.

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Abu, name me a single election in your lifetime when liberals were not calling republicans racist.

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Literally, don't care. Find a way to get it done. Expect high standards for leaders and make them meet them. Not the other way around.

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Look at ethnically East Asian and Indian voting patterns this past election compared to what they were before - much more heavily D than typical.

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wrong.

Asian vote was actually slightly more republican in 2016 than in 2012, or nearly identical. (Think it was 70-27 both times)

Surveys show asian americans are firmly to the left on economic issues.

this study

Asian americans :

1) Much more likely to support Obamacare than general population

2)FAR more likely to support gun bans than general population (90%)

3)Extremely supportive of minimum wage laws (80%+ support)

Keep melting.

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wrong.

Asian vote was actually slightly more republican in 2016 than in 2012, or nearly identical. (Think it was 70-27 both times)

Surveys show asian americans are firmly to the left on economic issues.

this study

Asian americans :

1) Much more likely to support Obamacare than general population

2)FAR more likely to support gun bans than general population (90%)

3)Extremely supportive of minimum wage laws (80%+ support)

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You've got me with 2012, but take a look at 2000.

Your own link:

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• Asian Americans are shifting in party identification towards the Democratic Party, and exclusionary rhetoric is a likely cause o There has been a 12-point increase in the proportion of Asian Americans who identify as Democrats from 2012 to 2016 (pp. 27-28) o Bolstering evidence from 2014, our survey indicates that Asian American registered voters, including Independents, will punish candidates with antiimmigrant and anti-Muslim views (pp. 17-18)

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Trump and his ilk are a continuation of that. Republicans are going to fricking lose long-term because of shite like this. It took nearly a damn century to get the Irish and Italians on board a Republican platform because of nativist shite. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

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Trump and his ilk are a continuation of that. Republicans are going to fricking lose long-term because of shite like this. It took nearly a damn century to get the Irish and Italians on board a Republican platform because of nativist shite. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

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How do you explain this?

In 1996 bob dole won the asian vote by 6 points.

In 2000, W lost the asian vote by 15 points

21 point swing...can't blame trump or "exclusionary" rhetoric for that.

But here is the point you are missing: trump turned off some groups, but brought in some groups as well. He did better with union voters than any republican in the history of modern America. There were counties all over the midwest that voted for trump by double digits that last voted GOP in 1928.

Nothing exists in a vacuum.

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Trump and his ilk are a continuation of that. Republicans are going to fricking lose long-term because of shite like this. It took nearly a damn century to get the Irish and Italians on board a Republican platform because of nativist shite. Dumb, dumb, dumb.


How do you explain this?

In 1996 bob dole won the asian vote by 6 points.

In 2000, W lost the asian vote by 15 points

21 point swing...can't blame trump or "exclusionary" rhetoric for that.

But here is the point you are missing: trump turned off some groups, but brought in some groups as well. He did better with union voters than any republican in the history of modern America. There were counties all over the midwest that voted for trump by double digits that last voted GOP in 1928.

Nothing exists in a vacuum.

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A bit of immigration from poorer Asian countries, a bit of unsaid racial shite (which Trump took to the extreme), and other factors.

How about this stat: 50% of American Asians voted for Republicans in the 2014 mid-terms (to 49% Democrats), while that number dropped to 14% in 2016. The Asian % number for D's didn't reach the 1996 number again until 2016.