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re: ACLU tricked the DOJ, thwarting review of immigrant abortion case
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:37 pm to CommoDawg
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:37 pm to CommoDawg
No it can’t. And if what the government says is true, the ACLU lawyers will be disciplined for lying to kill an unborn baby.
This post was edited on 11/3/17 at 12:39 pm
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Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:38 pm to CommoDawg
This thread is fricking disgusting. Its one thing to disagree over abortion, its another to start celebratory trash threads like this.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:39 pm to CommoDawg
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It can be..
how?
to be specific, how can a lawyer lie without being unethical and/or unprofessional?
now, to limit that further, how many of these examples involve misleading the Court itself?
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:40 pm to CommoDawg
So much work to kill an innocent human life.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
The best part about this is that everyone knew the Govt. was seeking a stay. They called the Court itself and explained exactly what was occurring.
The ACLU director is saying they did nothing wrong, but if the LADB had this, those lawyers would be fricked.
The ACLU director is saying they did nothing wrong, but if the LADB had this, those lawyers would be fricked.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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how? to be specific, how can a lawyer lie without being unethical and/or unprofessional? now, to limit that further, how many of these examples involve misleading the Court itself?
Well actually in this case the ACLU attorney didn't lie to the DOJ, they simply didn't communicate everything to them. Which I believe was not required of them. But I can imagine a situation in which lying to prevent opposing counsel from using delay tactics can further the interest of justice
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:42 pm to CommoDawg
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CommoDawg
I'm actually pro-choice, but you're one sick fricking sack of shite for celebrating this.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:43 pm to CommoDawg
Send her back!!
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:43 pm to CommoDawg
What ever happened to our right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness?
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:44 pm to FalseProphet
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The ACLU director is saying they did nothing wrong, but if the LADB had this, those lawyers would be fricked.
100%
i mean it's clearly obvious that they, AT THE LEAST, withheld critical timing information that the UDSOJ needed for the stay
once the ACLU attorney knew the date, they purposefully took steps to have this abortion done prior to that date
that shows clear intent to deceive. that's disbarment-level stuff there, b/c it , in effect, misled the court itself
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:45 pm to CommoDawg
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Which I believe was not required of them.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:47 pm to CommoDawg
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Well actually in this case the ACLU attorney didn't lie to the DOJ, they simply didn't communicate everything to them. Which I believe was not required of them.
That is unethical, especially if it involved ex parte communication with the Court.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:47 pm to CommoDawg
Yes. They flat out lied. You think the DOJ would be staking it’s reputation on this if they didn’t have the goods?
The DOJ was told that the girl could not get an abortion until Oct. 26. The ACLU told the district court that’s the abortion had to be delayed for a day. As soon as the Govt. announced it was going to seek a stay the following morning, the ACLU rushed to make it happen the next morning.
The govt. makes clear in brief that had the ACLU not deceived them and the court, the govt. would have filed Tuesday night.
Pretty cut and dry.
The DOJ was told that the girl could not get an abortion until Oct. 26. The ACLU told the district court that’s the abortion had to be delayed for a day. As soon as the Govt. announced it was going to seek a stay the following morning, the ACLU rushed to make it happen the next morning.
The govt. makes clear in brief that had the ACLU not deceived them and the court, the govt. would have filed Tuesday night.
Pretty cut and dry.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:47 pm to CommoDawg
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the ACLU attorney didn't lie to the DOJ, they simply didn't communicate everything to them.
um
they changed the date of medical services once the DOJ advised its anticipated date. so the DOJ revealed its hand, as it has to, and the ACLU intentionally deceived the DOJ about the status of its client to avoid a stay. that's severely unethical behavior
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
unethical behavior doesn't seem to bother people like OP
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:49 pm to CommoDawg
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But I can imagine a situation in which lying to prevent opposing counsel from using delay tactics can further the interest of justice
Further the interest of justice? You basically just said you can imagine it being okay to lie if it serves your preferred end goal, which has nothing to do with justice. Justice is playing by the rules and securing a decision either for or against your end.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:50 pm to CommoDawg
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CommoDawg
The baby is dead!!!
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:50 pm to CommoDawg
That’s closer to sanctionable behavior than it is to brilliant lawyering.
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:50 pm to FalseProphet
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The govt. makes clear in brief that had the ACLU not deceived them and the court, the govt. would have filed Tuesday night.
exactly
the ACLU intentionally mislead opposing counsel and the Court itself. that ain't good lawyering, especially when it's not even a legal issue/argument. we're talking about the most basic procedure (dates, scheduling, etc)
Posted on 11/3/17 at 12:51 pm to CommoDawg
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Well actually in this case the ACLU attorney didn't lie to the DOJ, they simply didn't communicate everything to them. Which I believe was not required of them. But I can imagine a situation in which lying to prevent opposing counsel from using delay tactics can further the interest of justice
And in what state are you licensed to practice law?
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