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re: Abortion Question For Those In Favor...
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:36 pm to DeltaDoc
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:36 pm to DeltaDoc
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If you support abortion rights, are there any limits as to when an abortion should not performed based on age of the fetus?
"Fetus"? frick that, abortion until 18 years of age.
If a parent deems their child a failure and they want to start over, I say let 'em.
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Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:37 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
LSUGrrl is a regular poster on here.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Apparently the ghetto is in favor of this idea, but the parents don't make the decision, the cops do.
frick that, abortion until 18 years of age.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:40 pm to CJM18
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The abortion debate should not even be a debate. The fact that it is, is just another example of how depraved this society and secular progressives have become. People want to do whatever they want without taking responsibility for the consequences.
It's real simple: is abortion killing human life? Are you killing a human heartbeat? If the answer is yes (and it is) then abortion is evil. There is no debate. It's not a woman's right to kill a human life inside the womb anymore than it is outside.
We've gone so far astray in this country. We've all but done away with God. Well guess what? When you do away with God someone has to take his place. So that's what we've done. Now there is no transcendent absolute truth. We make our own rules.
So we give women the "right" to choose whether to let a life live or kill it. It's mind blowing. It's evil.
Interestingly violent crime rates have been falling for more than 2 decades. Damn evil, less violent people!
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:40 pm to TigerRad
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what about this entity fundamentally changed at the moment of birth to make it something entirely new?
For one thing, it goes from essentially having a two chambered heart to having a four chambered heart.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:47 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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I would love to hear a woman's point of view here. Are there any women on the Poli Board ever?
Sure, here are my thoughts from a recent abortion thread -
As a woman I do not believe that it is my " right " to terminate an innocent human life (no matter what stage of development) . It is so sad to me that so many women disagree.
I've known women who are haunted daily because they terminated a pregnancy, but I've never met a mother that wished she would have aborted her child.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:50 pm to DeltaDoc
Viability
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:51 pm to cwill
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Interestingly violent crime rates have been falling for more than 2 decades. Damn evil, less violent people!
Interestingly, the book Freakonomics attributes the drop in violent crime and crime in general to Roe and less babies being born to single parent households. They have solid data to back up their conclusion.
Funny how the world works...
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:54 pm to Pinecone Repair
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I've never met a mother that wished she would have aborted her child.
You've never met MY mom.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:57 pm to DeltaDoc
quote:The line should be drawn at the age of the youngest surviving fetus born.
If you support abortion rights, are there any limits as to when an abortion should not performed based on age of the fetus? If you believe there should be limitations (i.e., nothing after first trimester), what is your justification for that opinion?
Posted on 1/27/14 at 5:04 pm to Scruffy
Bacteria is considered life on other planets but not on earth.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 4:15 am to DeltaDoc
Planned Parenthood's position is Abortion on demand at any time. They have consistently fought bans on late term abortions.
A representative repeated this position and included that even in failed late term abortions, that is, when the baby is actually delivered alive, it is up to the mom to decide whether health care should be rendered to the infant.
The position for doing so was because "in rural areas it would put an undue strain to transport failed abortions to a hospital"
The argument is of course absurd, but that is what their rep in Florida said at a hearing.
The following are the arguments used for abortion on demand and the basis for the positions:
A woman should have the right to abort a child conceived by rape or incest.
The truth is the vast majority of abortions performed are NOT due to rape or incest,and
Since ALL state laws limiting abortion have rape and incest provisions this is a moot point to insist on Abortions on demand.
The argument: "that it is a woman's right to choose", is never exposed to the underlying principle because this position in principle and in fact is stating that an unborn child is nothing more than property or chattel to be disposed of as an owner of that property chooses.
The "drain on resources" argument furthers the principle of unborn children being property but also links that to property or chattel owned by the state: that unwanted children especially if they could be disabled is an unwanted financial burden. Again this view is based on the concept of an unborn, or unwanted child being property to be maintained, not a human life.
This "worth of the property" follows into the next position for pro abortionists.
For those who say until the infant is "viable",
that statement qualifies life that should be allowed life.
In specific terms, that is" Life Worthy of Life", and when that is the foundation for life every Life Worthy of Life must be qualified which puts all elderly and disabled children and adults needing to qualify that they are lives worthy of life.
A very slippery slope especially when a fed panel now will choose how best to use resources involving healthcare with the ACA.
A representative repeated this position and included that even in failed late term abortions, that is, when the baby is actually delivered alive, it is up to the mom to decide whether health care should be rendered to the infant.
The position for doing so was because "in rural areas it would put an undue strain to transport failed abortions to a hospital"
The argument is of course absurd, but that is what their rep in Florida said at a hearing.
The following are the arguments used for abortion on demand and the basis for the positions:
A woman should have the right to abort a child conceived by rape or incest.
The truth is the vast majority of abortions performed are NOT due to rape or incest,and
Since ALL state laws limiting abortion have rape and incest provisions this is a moot point to insist on Abortions on demand.
The argument: "that it is a woman's right to choose", is never exposed to the underlying principle because this position in principle and in fact is stating that an unborn child is nothing more than property or chattel to be disposed of as an owner of that property chooses.
The "drain on resources" argument furthers the principle of unborn children being property but also links that to property or chattel owned by the state: that unwanted children especially if they could be disabled is an unwanted financial burden. Again this view is based on the concept of an unborn, or unwanted child being property to be maintained, not a human life.
This "worth of the property" follows into the next position for pro abortionists.
For those who say until the infant is "viable",
that statement qualifies life that should be allowed life.
In specific terms, that is" Life Worthy of Life", and when that is the foundation for life every Life Worthy of Life must be qualified which puts all elderly and disabled children and adults needing to qualify that they are lives worthy of life.
A very slippery slope especially when a fed panel now will choose how best to use resources involving healthcare with the ACA.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 4:48 am to DeltaDoc
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justification
Pro Abortion on Demand believe an unborn child is chattel or property of the woman, and as such can be either maintained or disposed of.
To say that an abortion should be limited to when the unborn is viable, which is an ability to live without healthcare support, qualifies life worthy of life and if not applied without distinction but to a population means those not able to live without medical support should be allowed to die as well.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 4:57 am to tigress77
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Planned Parenthood's position is Abortion on demand at any time. They have consistently fought bans on late term abortions.
This.
Also, their willingness to earmark racially specific pregnancy terminations in the past are only two of the reasons I abhor that POS organization.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 4:59 am to dcrews
quote:
One side fights for the rights of the woman
What they are fighting for is in reality the concept that an unborn child is noting more than property, of the woman.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:03 am to tigress77
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What they are fighting for is in reality the concept that an unborn child is nothing more than property, of the woman.
This.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:05 am to Hawkeye95
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I agree. I think this board is proof of that.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:16 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
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I would love to hear a woman's point of view here. Are there any women on the Poli Board ever?
I am not in favor of abortion, never considered it a personal option. When I was younger I would say it wasn't something I would choose but if another woman wished it it was okay. But then I grew up, became a mom, and no it is simply not right to kill an unborn child. No.
The women I know that have had abortions regret doing so. They were young and misled into the idea that it wasn't actually a human life they were terminating, one was pushed into doing so by her husband and she still grieves for that child.
All of them are moms now and they all deeply regret what they did.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:22 am to tigress77
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I am not in favor of abortion, never considered it a personal option. When I was younger I would say it wasn't something I would choose but if another woman wished it it was okay. But then I grew up, became a mom, and no it is simply not right to kill an unborn child. No.
The women I know that have had abortions regret doing so. They were young and misled into the idea that it wasn't actually a human life they were terminating, one was pushed into doing so by her husband and she still grieves for that child.
All of them are moms now and they all deeply regret what they did.
Here is my stance on the matter: the argument that a male or female's opinion on the matter should be weighted more is pure poppycock, and only thrown out there by pro-abortionists when it is a man who disagrees with abortion. If it is a woman, like every female in my family from my mom to my four sisters, all of a sudden those dissents aren't to be heard.
And what's always overlooked in all of this is that the gender of the kid getting hacked to bits en utero is never considered.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:52 am to DeltaDoc
It would seem to me that this a non-issue. I agree that there should be a cut-off date, twenty weeks is a good date. If you don't want an abortion you don't have to get one. There are several issues that come up another being gay marriage my answer is who cares. I don't care and I don't see how anyone else would either. Let them do what they want to. This country has a lot of problems that need to be addressed and issues like these should be far down the list. I feel that we don't have the luxury to spend time worrying about things like this.
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