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re: Abortion as a political issue
Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:43 pm to burger bearcat
Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:43 pm to burger bearcat
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It is perceived as a losing topic because they are shitty at articulating the premise of the argument and how to penetrative the zeitgeist with their side of the argument. It's a mix of laziness and stupidity.
This.
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Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:43 pm to burger bearcat
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You have to define what the issue is and why you are fighting for it
Everyone knows how the Evangelicals define the issue and why they claim to be fighting. It has been known for decades.
People have rejected that argument/framing, and have for a long time.
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This is why it needs to start with defining personhood and going from there.
They understand how you people define it. They reject it.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:44 pm to burger bearcat
Even if it's a losing topic, this immediate discussion ignores that Trump and surrogates are going overboard to give in on it and aren't making noticeable headway
Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:44 pm to burger bearcat
Also, you skipped over this
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Even accepting your biased framing, is that worse than irrelevancy?
This goes back to a question that none of the Evangelical-types wanted to answer yesterday.
Will there be more or fewer abortions if the Democrats win more elections?
Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:45 pm to Pettifogger
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Trump and surrogates are going overboard to give in
All they're doing is repeating "states rights" as best I can tell, which isn't an effective point.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Also, you skipped over this
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You can't beat the media in this instance. Even everything you propose either/both 1) The Republicans will be labeled as Nazis for not allowing 24 months! or 2) The Progressive media will create another boogeyman that the right will have to, in your opinion, compromise on to win
How do you not see that modern Conservatism, and especially the GOP, have engaged in this game over the years and NOTHING has changed in terms of how they are framed. And the language has actually become worse?
Modern Republicans have given in on multiple issues, only to find another issue that they are "tyrants" or "fascists" for. Rinse, repeat.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:50 pm to Pettifogger
If he loses it will be because of abortion.
I vote red but I never understand how worked up people get about abortion. We have to meet in the middle and agree on something.
I just never understand old men getting mad about what women do to their bodies. Of
course it needs to have term limits, but that decision is between her and her god. She has to live with it the rest of her life.
I got way bigger shite to worry about.
I vote red but I never understand how worked up people get about abortion. We have to meet in the middle and agree on something.
I just never understand old men getting mad about what women do to their bodies. Of
course it needs to have term limits, but that decision is between her and her god. She has to live with it the rest of her life.
I got way bigger shite to worry about.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:55 pm to Freauxzen
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You can't beat the media in this instance. E
You can, though.
You're relying on fatalism. People are malleable. We even have recent data. 2021 shows this.
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How do you not see that modern Conservatism, and especially the GOP, have engaged in this game over the years and NOTHING has changed in terms of how they are framed
Abortion was not the hot button topic for a long time until DEMs got GOP whackos start to melt down about it, like Todd Akin and the ones who want no exceptions.
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Modern Republicans have given in on multiple issues, only to find another issue that they are "tyrants" or "fascists" for. Rinse, repeat.
Again, 2021. This echo chamber nonsense will be ignored in the face of real issues and avoiding stupid Akinisms.
The GOP should have a national policy of a bad after 20 weeks and the 3 major exceptions. This topic would die in the media, b/c that's palatable to a huge chunk of the population.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:55 pm to dallastiger55
Politically, I have nothing bigger to worry about than a society/culture/government that permits or even encourages the barbaric practice of extinguishing human life for convenience.
Just how it is. We can do the coalition thing but there are a lot of people who aren't going to meet in the middle on the issue itself. And I note of course that there are people on the left - a lot of them - who won't go along with your compromise solution either.
Just how it is. We can do the coalition thing but there are a lot of people who aren't going to meet in the middle on the issue itself. And I note of course that there are people on the left - a lot of them - who won't go along with your compromise solution either.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:56 pm to Pettifogger
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Politically, I have nothing bigger to worry about than a society/culture/government that permits or even encourages the barbaric practice of extinguishing human life for convenience.
Will there be more or fewer abortions if the Democrats win more elections?
Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Will there be more or fewer abortions if the Democrats win more elections?
I feel like you've tried this narrative before and I don't recall what your position was, but I didn't find it compelling.
I suspect there will be more abortions if Democrats win more elections, but I don't know that with certainty. There will certainly be more promotion of abortion as morally just or neutral if Democrats win more elections.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:00 pm to Pettifogger
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I feel like you've tried this narrative before and I don't recall what your position was, but I didn't find it compelling.
My position is pretty clear. More Dem election victories = more abortions (via more lax abortion laws)
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I suspect there will be more abortions if Democrats win more elections, but I don't know that with certainty. There will certainly be more promotion of abortion as morally just or neutral if Democrats win more elections.
Well this raises the question of what matters more: virtue signaling or tactile results?
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:04 pm to Pettifogger
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acknowledging the existence of truth is a start
Yeah the truth is you keep losing
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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My position is pretty clear. More Dem election victories = more abortions (via more lax abortion laws)
Why do you lose sleep over this?
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:08 pm to dallastiger55
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Why do you lose sleep over this?
I don't want DEMs to win for other issues, but the Evangelicals make it more likely DEMs win (which, means more abortions in reality)
I'm not personally invested in the abortion issue, but following me has the net benefit for Evangelicals who are hyper-focused on abortion to accomplish more in reality than their own policy preferences. They prefer virtue signaling and DEM domination to victory and fewer abortions in reality.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They understand how you people define it. They reject it.
Find me a single video clip of a major Democrat having to answer in front of the American people, "what is inside the mother's womb"?
Define it. Can you even define it? Tell me the difference between a 39 week in utero child and a 1 week new born? Is it morally OK to stick a knife in one but not the other? Why or why not?
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:12 pm to burger bearcat
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Find me a single video clip of a major Democrat having to answer in front of the American people, "what is inside the mother's womb"?
I'm not talking politicians. I'm talking voters.
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Define it. Can you even define it? Tell me the difference between a 39 week in utero child and a 1 week new born? Is it morally OK to stick a knife in one but not the other? Why or why not?
And now you're coming off as the psychos they picture when they think "Abortion-obsessed Evangelical".
They understand who you are and the points you're trying to make. They reject it.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Well this raises the question of what matters more: virtue signaling or tactile results?
Does it? I think I'm agreeing more or less with you either way, that more Democratic wins means more promotion of abortion whether in practice or as an idea/etc.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:18 pm to SDVTiger
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Yeah the truth is you keep losing
You're 1-1 since you became invested in politics.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:19 pm to Pettifogger
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Does it?
Yes.
Especially in the policy context. Results matter.
Democrats talk all sorts of virtue signaling for all sorts of policies. Do we just let them frame everything based on their bullshite? Or do we look at results?
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