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re: Aborting Down syndrome babies
Posted on 3/18/18 at 8:13 pm to jrobic4
Posted on 3/18/18 at 8:13 pm to jrobic4
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I agree with her in that regard...frankly, I get her position, at least as much as any one not intimately involved in world can...but it probably goes back to what my wife (and I) believe, that every human life is sacred. If you are not religious, then I guess that means nothing to you. To us, it means everything
Do you believe that couples facing this extremely difficult decision, should not legally have any options based on your beliefs?
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Posted on 3/18/18 at 8:21 pm to IrishTiger89
Put the child in a shoebox and leave it in the church steps?
In all seriousness, the mentally handicapped ARE a financial drain on families and society. They can also be a severe emotional drain.
However, we must weigh that against what happens to a society that forgets its heart and stops caring for the least.
I couldn't make the decision for all.
The current way is best.
In all seriousness, the mentally handicapped ARE a financial drain on families and society. They can also be a severe emotional drain.
However, we must weigh that against what happens to a society that forgets its heart and stops caring for the least.
I couldn't make the decision for all.
The current way is best.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 8:24 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
What should define the existence human life? A heartbeat or brain function?
This post was edited on 3/18/18 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 3/18/18 at 8:25 pm to IrishTiger89
I'm pro abortion if that's what you're asking.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 8:28 pm to russellvillehog
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This isn't a very easy moral question.
bullshite...If you believe abortion is murder then it’s wrong. If you believe abortion is like having a tumor removed then it’s all good. In either scenario the babies condition doesn’t matter in your moral decision. There is no moral struggle unless you actually believe it is murder, and are still willing to do it to save yourself the inconvenience of having a child with Downs. If the latter is the case, you have no morals. So, it’s pretty easy when you think about it.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 8:29 pm to IrishTiger89
No, it just makes me sad that they make what I believe to be selfish choices
Posted on 3/18/18 at 8:47 pm to jrobic4
nm
This post was edited on 3/18/18 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:07 am to cssamerican
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There is no moral struggle unless you actually believe it is murder, and are still willing to do it to save yourself the inconvenience of having a child with Downs. If
It's inconvenient for everyone including the child itself. So no you can't whittle it down to being a simple as you have tried
Posted on 3/19/18 at 6:09 am to Darth_Vader
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Yes it’s happening and it’s sickening. I beleive it was Iceland recently that made headlines as beingvthr first country in the world to declare itself Down Syndrome “Free”.
ETA: here it is...
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Iceland has become the first nation to boast of total destruction of in-utero Down syndrome children. Obstetrician-gynecologist Peter McParland praised the move, according to Life Site. "In Iceland," the doctor said, "every single baby—100 percent of all those diagnosed with Down syndrome—are aborted," he said, adding, "There hasn't been a baby with Down syndrome born in Iceland in the past five years."
I personally feel that abortion is a sickening personal decision, but at least Iceland is doing it with some purpose, unlike the disgusting scum in the U.S. who just wanted to smash and meh, I ain't got no time for dealing with babies.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 6:18 am to Brazos
You don’t kill someone just because they have a genetic defect. We are 10-20 years away from being able to total remap our genetics and end almost every negative predisposition on the planet.
Then we have an even stickier question on our hands with regards to population control.
Then we have an even stickier question on our hands with regards to population control.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 6:38 am to IrishTiger89
quote:Being human, genetically, biologically. We have sciences for this you know.
What should define the existence human life? A heartbeat or brain function?
There is zero question scientifically when a human life begins. It's at conception.
The problem always comes when people start to define humans as something else, never to the benefit of the humans being redefined.
It's always to enslave or kill them. You'd think humanity would have learned this by now.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 6:42 am to Ebbandflow
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There is no moral struggle unless you actually believe it is murder, and are still willing to do it to save yourself the inconvenience of having a child with Downs.
It's inconvenient for everyone including the child itself. So no you can't whittle it down to being a simple as you have tried
Listen to yourself! You’re justifying what you believe to be murder, and your justification is inconvenience. Please, don’t tell me it’s a tough moral decision when your morality is based off of what is convenient for you.
Don’t give me it’s inconvenient for the child bullshite either. I’ve never heard of a successful murder defense that said, the 1 month old was inconvenience by life, so I did them a favor by removing the burden of living.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 6:45 am to Ebbandflow
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It's inconvenient for everyone including the child itself. So no you can't whittle it down to being a simple as you have tried
You are one sick SOB.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 6:47 am
Posted on 3/19/18 at 7:08 am to Ebbandflow
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inconvenient for everyone including the child itself.
OK Mr. Meeseeks.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 7:46 am to Darth_Vader
quote:You have a cousin. That means you are not responsible for him/her
Sorry i get angry when a stupid piece of dogshit says a family member I love who brings pure joy and love to everyone she meets would have been better to have never been born.
You get to spend time, but at the end of the day are allowed to leave and go home without the responsibility
Just pointing out you can't speak as one that truly understands here, bossman
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 7:47 am
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:30 am to ZappBrannigan
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Massive resource drain that is a burden on social services,
Drain on social services? Damn. If this is the argument we should have Disney type lines wrapping around the clinics.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:34 am to Jeff Boomhauer
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chances are they will never have a gf/bf,
You clearly haven't hung around many people with downs my friend.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:36 am to Snipe
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I personally feel that abortion is a sickening personal decision, but at least Iceland is doing it with some purpose, unlike the disgusting scum in the U.S. who just wanted to smash and meh, I ain't got no time for dealing with babies.
Iceland is pretty much a bunch of inbreds
I could see why they might want to use abortion as a means to mitigate birth defects
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:39 am to Powerman
Those of who disprove of this then need to step-up and provide the social services the parents and the children need when they get older. Downs Syndrome people often have heart problems and other illness related to that can be very expensive and they often need special schooling and other services and if the parents die before them they often need social services to help them live as adults.
So you had better be able to pay their bills when their parents aren't able. And that would mean taxes, but you don't like raising taxes.
So you had better be able to pay their bills when their parents aren't able. And that would mean taxes, but you don't like raising taxes.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 8:40 am
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:52 am to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:My cousin with downs has had 3 heart surgeries, and also battled leukemia
Downs Syndrome people often have heart problems and other illness related to that can be very expensive
She is happy sometimes, but I think people painting children with downs as the happiest most go lucky people arent around them very ofen
She gets irritated very easily, and often extremely frustrated
Alot in this thread have made them out to be real life teddy bears......
They arent. The are wonderful loving people, but have issues that are very difficult for themselves and their loved ones.
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