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re: A viable plan for Canada To Join the United States
Posted on 2/7/26 at 8:31 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 2/7/26 at 8:31 pm to crazy4lsu
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You could perhaps Google 'is unilateral secession legal'
Let's play your drunken game
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In its July 22, 2010, advisory opinion on Kosovo, the
International Court of Justice (ICJ) concluded that international law contains no general prohibition against unilateral declarations of independence. The Court ruled that the February 2008 declaration did not violate general international law, the UN Security Council resolution 1244, or the constitutional framework
Wow... So shocked that you have made an utter fool of yourself here.
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Posted on 2/7/26 at 8:37 pm to Narax
Lol. Why wasn't the referendum in Catalonia in 2017 accepted? Or any of Russia's sham referenda? To be clear, a state not accepting the results of a unilateral referendum by a breakaway state leading to armed conflict is exactly the end result of most attempts at independence through legal means. And regardless, Alberta has a long way to go. If you could read the link you posted you might be able to see that. Truly, we have to live out Narax's version of Lebensraum for the poor disaffected Albertan landowners!
Again, at any point you can regale me with your timeline of when these things are going to happen.
Again, at any point you can regale me with your timeline of when these things are going to happen.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 8:43 pm to crazy4lsu
Getting Alberta, British Colombia, and Yukon gives us a road to Alaska. Canada can keep the rest. BC is probably as liberal as Seattle though.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 8:52 pm to mikeytig
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Annexation of Alberta would give us two more GOP senators.
I don't think you understand what "conservative" and "liberal" mean in Canada.
Those words don't mean the same things they do here because what is considered the center is so much farther left there.
Very few Canadian "conservatives" would support Republican platforms here.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 8:54 pm to crazy4lsu
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If you could read the link you posted you might be able to see that.
I read it long before I posted it.
Why I posted it was the 3rd point that says it's unlikely only as long as Canada remains on good terms with the United States.
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Truly, we have to live out Narax's version of Lebensraum for the poor disaffected Albertan landowners!
Carney would be well advised that he is creating a longer term problem for Canadian relations with the US, blindly for political power.
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Again, at any point you can regale me with your timeline of when these things are going to happen.
Do you think I've said these are short term things?
The Scottish independence movement started in the 1960s with the first SNP candidates.
As areas get ignored they drift away from a government that they think does not represent them.
You would do well to read "Untied Kingdom: A Global History of the End of Britain".
The later chapter of the Celtic world may be interesting to you.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 8:56 pm to Narax
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You seem to be unable to see what a disaster Canadian leaders have created.
Canada is defending itself from the ignorance that trump has created, and the rest of the free world is looking at other options as well. It’s crazy to think that china is becoming the good guy in our place because trump has made our country undependable as a trade partner.
Our country may never recover on the global stage when this runs its course.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:07 pm to Narax
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The Scottish independence movement started in the 1960s with the first SNP candidates.
And 60 years later, what happened? In addition, in what ways is Scotland different from Alberta?
I'm well aware of independence movements in Europe and elsewhere, but the US and Canada do not have those traditions, especially uniquely local languages and cultures. The various regional nationalisms like in Brittany and even new ones such as Magna Graecia have have to deal with a mass media apparatus which tends to reinforce power structures. The notion that Canada, a trillion dollar economy, is somehow so unstable that they are teetering on the edge of becoming Yugoslavia, is deeply idiotic. Even Mexico, another trillion dollar economy which has had far more violence, does not have any viable independence movement. Just because you want this does not mean it will happen. We can assess the facts on the ground, note the roadblocks both inside Canada and inside the US, and suggest that this is not going to happen.
Countries like India, which have several languages, distinct cultures, and insulated regions, is not in danger of breaking up and those regions have been in political union with one another for a far shorter time period than Alberta has been in union with Canada. I'm very comfortable with the suggestion that Alberta will not be part of the US in any meaningful time frame.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:19 pm to crazy4lsu
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And 60 years later, what happened? In addition, in what ways is Scotland different from Alberta?
We don't know yet, but in 1960 it was a far fringe, in the 2010s it almost won, given a worse economy that year it might have.
It's an example of how movements grow.
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I'm well aware of independence movements in Europe and elsewhere, but the US and Canada do not have those traditions, especially uniquely local languages and cultures.
22% of Canada is foreign born. It's not 2005. Quebec has a local Language and Culture.
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The notion that Canada, a trillion dollar economy, is somehow so unstable that they are teetering on the edge of becoming Yugoslavia, is deeply idiotic.
The Notion that Great Britain the global Superpower is somehow teetering on the edge of losing Ireland is deeply idiotic - Probably Someone in 1880
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Even Mexico, another trillion dollar economy which has had far more violence, does not have any viable independence movement.
Chipas and Mayan areas have movements.
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Just because you want this does not mean it will happen.
Arguing about this as a possibility does not mean I want this to happen.
I don't want there to be a war with China, but there are contingency plans in place.
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I'm very comfortable with the suggestion that Alberta will not be part of the US in any meaningful time frame.
That may be, but Canada should be aware that it cannot act with impunity domestically and internationally.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:33 pm to Narax
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but in 1960 it was a far fringe, in the 2010s it almost won, given a worse economy that year it might have.
That is one way to describe a 10 point loss with Downing Street using the loss as an excuse to shut down further referenda.
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22% of Canada is foreign born. It's not 2005. Quebec has a local Language and Culture.
Quebec has the closest to a insulated region and language and still lost in '95.
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The Notion that Great Britain the global Superpower is somehow teetering on the edge of losing Ireland is deeply idiotic - Probably Someone in 1880
Uh, yeah absent two massive world war, what would have happened to the UK and France's colonial possessions? And this doesn't address my point. It is supremely unlikely that Canada is teetering on the edge of Yugoslavia, which is a comparison you made. Stay consistent bro.
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Chipas and Mayan areas have movements.
See viable.
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Arguing about this as a possibility does not mean I want this to happen.
Then do a better job of engaging with a link rather than slurping it down without any critique.
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That may be, but Canada should be aware that it cannot act with impunity domestically and internationally
Nor can the US, especially given the way you appear to want to use US power. And Trump especially doesn't understand soft power and we are worse off for it. Trump could have gotten anything he wanted from Canada of all people as long as he allowed whoever was in power to save a little face in front of his demands. And yet here we are, with the Canadians of all people openly questioning the purchase of F35 jets. Trump's strategy thus far with Canada is ensuring a situation where no one is going to get what they want. The Atlantic strategy smoothed away late 19th century antagonism so that the US could eventually project power to the degree it does now. It is the cornerstone of US foreign policy, even when the US went on retarded adventures in Iraq in 2003. Again, everything Trump wanted he could have gotten had he not started his 51st state talk and had he not talked down to Trudeau. That by itself sparked a conservative loss for no real gain. It was nonsensical.
This post was edited on 2/7/26 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:43 pm to crazy4lsu
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That is one way to describe a 10 point loss with Downing Street using the loss as an excuse to shut down further referenda.
Because they were realists they knew how fast people can sway.
From 0 to 44.7%.
Not much further to 51%.
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Quebec has the closest to a insulated region and language and still lost in '95.
Canada and the US had just signed NAFTA.
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Uh, yeah absent two massive world war,
One.
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It is supremely unlikely that Canada is teetering on the edge of Yugoslavia, which is a comparison you made.
So if Alberta and Quebec go, its not Yugoslavia?
Remember Yugoslavia lasted a long time.
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Then do a better job of engaging with a link rather than slurping it down without any critique.
... dude, you couldn't even be bothered to Google your recommendation.
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That by itself sparked a conservative loss for no real gain. It was nonsensical.
And Carney poured gas on the fire from a place of weakness.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:57 pm to Narax
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From 0 to 44.7%.
You realize that the actual independence movement is much older than the 1960s, right? The SNP may have been founded then, but calls for independence, or rather resistance to unionism date from the 1750s in earnest, and in writing since the 1850s. And the reason that Johnson was so quick to shut down another referendum was due to the SNP's desire to rejoin the EU, which would have undermined Brexit.
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Canada and the US had just signed NAFTA.
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And? That doesn't undermine the point about Quebec being a region unlike any other in Canada or America.
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One
I was referring to the entirety of their colonial possessions. Hence, two.
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So if Alberta and Quebec go, its not Yugoslavia?
It won't be Balkanization because there is not the same degree of ethnic rivalry. Just because it is convenient example does not mean it is a good one.
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dude, you couldn't even be bothered to Google your recommendation.
Bro, the author of your original link handwaved away several exceedingly complicated details and you still think the essay is viable. Those details are vital to the discussion.
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And Carney poured gas on the fire from a place of weakness
And? None of this would have happened without Trump's idiocy. Again, he invented opposition where none originally existed. He's been doing that a lot more this term than he ever seemed to do his first term.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:59 pm to SCLibertarian
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I'd rather import millions of Mexicans than Canadians.
Good point. At least Mexicans don't mind a little hard work.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 10:16 pm to Ailsa
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why would we annex a country that has millions of Indians and chinese stinking it up and owning all the property? Canada is completely overrun.
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So we could deport them?
We won't even get rid of the ones we already have.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 10:20 pm to crazy4lsu
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And? None of this would have happened without Trump's idiocy. Again, he invented opposition where none originally existed. He's been doing that a lot more this term than he ever seemed to do his first term.
trump’s first term was much less destructive because he surrounded himself with qualified people who were able to reel his ignorance in to his chagrin. He even came up with the trade agreement that we’ve been operating under that he bitches about.
He didn’t make that mistake again this time and has a gang of brain dead idiots egging him on. I will say that the one who looks out of place is Rubio, the dude has a deer in the headlights look on his face all the time just waiting for the next pile of crap to fall.
This post was edited on 2/7/26 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 2/7/26 at 10:22 pm to Clark14
That is gold coming from a guy who voted for the last admin
Posted on 2/7/26 at 10:23 pm to Narax
It’s now or never!
Posted on 2/7/26 at 10:26 pm to SDVTiger
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That is gold coming from a guy who voted for the last admin
Yep, I voted against trump for obvious reasons which are clearer now more than ever. I was against his nomination during the primaries the first time he ran and have never voted for his idiotic arse and never will.
I’m damn sure not ashamed to admit it. You should be ashamed though.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 10:27 pm to Clark14
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I’m damn sure not ashamed to admit it
We know. Thankfully he won in a massive lanslide. So only lunatics agreed with you
Posted on 2/7/26 at 10:46 pm to SDVTiger
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We know. Thankfully he won in a massive lanslide.
You need to google this misinformation, it was far from a landslide. A landslide was what Reagan dealt , and trump isn’t a pimple on Reagan’s arse.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 10:58 pm to Clark14
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You need to google this misinformation, it was far from a landslide. A landslide was what Reagan dealt , and trump isn’t a pimple on Reagan’s arse.
He won the trifecta. You voted for men that can get pregnant
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