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re: A viable plan for Canada To Join the United States
Posted on 2/7/26 at 2:07 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 2/7/26 at 2:07 pm to crazy4lsu
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In geopolitical terms, what should they do?
Realize that the only market they can profit on is the American, and do it before 2028 when the 80% of goods shipped in under the NAFTA exemption are no longer exempt.
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When has just 50% been enough for an independence referendum? Give me a historical example. And given that Trump's barbs led to a massive defeat from the jaws of victory for the Conservatives, I am skeptical that you know what can change or how it will change.
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Montenegro (2006): Independence was approved by just 55.5% of voters,
To note if anything the failure of the conservative party makes an increase in independence more likely.
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If only there was some agreement which could address this, an agreement that a certain leader himself renegotiated during their first term...
That Canada has used to its advantage while pushing domestic rebates. There are tons of reports on these trade barriers, once this trade deal is done in 28 that 80% exemption goes away.
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Vanguard suggests that 2026 will see 1.6% GDP growth, which is healthy for an economy the size of Canada. Maybe you just want to believe it more than the facts bear such a situation out.
You want to think that is both good and what's going to happen.
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Canada's GDP per capita has experienced weak growth or declines recently, with a projected 0.2% growth in 2024 and 1.4% in 2025. While the total economy grew, high population growth (3.2% in 2023) has outpaced economic expansion, causing per-person GDP to decline 3.74% in 2023. The 5-year average growth rate is estimated at 0.3%
But Carney told you this is fine.
You know if you lose Alberta' its over.
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They absolutely would, if push comes to shove. In addition, First Nations are overwhelmingly against Alberta leaving. Are you going to go up and literally fight for oil? Answer my question.
Are you going to kill Alberta's people rather than let them go?
You said it was a retarded fantasy, now you admit yes they would start killing those supporting independence.
This entire situation starts with Alberta's secession from Canada which is legal in Canada.
I would welcome them, you would murder them.
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Canadians of all people questioning whether they should buy more US jets
A people who are are screaming elbows up and boycotting the US like a bunch of autistic trannys.
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You dumb fascists
Says the man pro killing Alberta citizens.
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Posted on 2/7/26 at 2:09 pm to Narax
Canada works for “CHYNA!” now.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 2:55 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:It's about economics. If the UK were a state, it would rank 51st in per capita income, dead last. UK median income is also about $5K less than Canada. So Canada would actually be propping the UK rather than the reverse.
UK has always been closer and it is far more likely that Canada will turn to the Commonwealth rather than the US if the relationship continues to go south.
I don't doubt Mark Carney is enough of an ideologue to try to drag Canada away from the US, even to detriment of the country. But the question is ultimately how that would float with Canadians.
BTW, in economic terms, Alberta would fall about 20th among states.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 3:21 pm to NC_Tigah
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BTW, in economic terms, Alberta would fall about 20th among states.
Based on 2024 GDP per capita numbers and the current conversion rate, of the 50 States and 10 Canadian Provinces:
Alberta would fall as the #1 Province, or 39th US State (39 overall) with a Per Capita of 70470.07 just under Michigan at 71083 and above Vermont at 70131.
Saskatchewan (66003.64) would be the #2 Canadian, or 43rd US State (44th overall), Just behind New Mexico at 66229 and ahead of Oklahoma at 64719.
Newfoundland and Labrador (56351.09) is 3rd for Canada It would rank 50th, behind Arkansas (60276) ahead of only Mississippi as a US State.
Mississippi (53061) would Rank 6th on a list with Canadian Provinces, ahead of Quebec (50047.44) but behind Ontario(54118.97).
Canadians have been led by their leaders to expect little and get less.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 4:44 pm to NC_Tigah
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If the UK were a state, it would rank 51st in per capita income, dead last. UK median income is also about $5K less than Canada. So Canada would actually be propping the UK rather than the reverse
My point here is that historically the UK and Canada have had a very close relationship, much closer than the US and the UK.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 5:01 pm to Narax
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Realize that the only market they can profit on is the American, and do it before 2028 when the 80% of goods shipped in under the NAFTA exemption are no longer exempt.
Then it seems like hedging is the correct course of action.
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To note if anything the failure of the conservative party makes an increase in independence more likely.
It does not.
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That Canada has used to its advantage while pushing domestic rebates. There are tons of reports on these trade barriers, once this trade deal is done in 28 that 80% exemption goes away.
Again, imagine if there was a leader who suddenly forgot the very agreement he begged to be renegotiated.
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You want to think that is both good and what's going to happen.
What? Follow your own argument dumbass. Again, for a trillion dollar economy, 1.5% GDP growth is absolutely nothing like the economic wasteland you suggested.
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Are you going to kill Alberta's people rather than let them go?
Unilateral secession is not recognized anywhere in the world. The notion that Canada is going to accept some random referendum is fantasy.
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This entire situation starts with Alberta's secession from Canada which is legal in Canada.
Read about the '95 referendum some more please.
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I would welcome them, you would murder them
Nah, I am not the one who is posting links which somehow handwave away the insane geopolitical conundrum.
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Says the man pro killing Alberta citizens
Says the dumb fricker who is trying to act out Munich 1938 again. Again, I am telling you that unilateral secession is not recognized anywhere in the world. There is no evidence that Albertan indepdence is even a policy which a majority of Albertans support. Thankfully, your article is missing a few key facts about Canadian politics which should pour cold water on this. And again, you aren't even addressing what a massive geopolitical cluster frick this would be. Again, you want to invent a scenario which ensures a particular conclusion. Thank god you can't seem to see it.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 6:29 pm to crazy4lsu
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Then it seems like hedging is the correct course of action.
Hedging?
They are boycotting US goods and screaming elbows up while negotiating Chinese EV Dumping and Indian passports.
Do you really think Americans are going to keep buying Canadian goods?
Do you think that the Shipping costs and local prices of Canadian goods in China or India will not eat all the profit?
Do you think Europe is going to let you into the EuroZone that they fight so hard to protect?
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It does not.
You say this as a Canadian?
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Again, imagine if there was a leader who suddenly forgot the very agreement he begged to be renegotiated.
The United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA) requires a mandatory "joint review" to be initiated by July 1, 2026
Really bad time to be actively anti US.
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What? Follow your own argument dumbass. Again, for a trillion dollar economy, 1.5% GDP growth is absolutely nothing like the economic wasteland you suggested.
While GDP Per Capita continues to drop.
You will own nothing and be happy.
If all Canadians are as bad with economics as you are, no wonder Carney has them fooled.
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Unilateral secession is not recognized anywhere in the world. The notion that Canada is going to accept some random referendum is fantasy.
Same with Quebec?
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/canadian-parliament-passes-clarity-act
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Read about the '95 referendum some more please.
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/rules-not-by-rules-alberta-scenarios-for-separation
Read Option 3.
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Nah, I am not the one who is posting links which somehow handwave away the insane geopolitical conundrum.
There isn't if Alberta leaves, so does Quebec and Canada falls.
Understand, if Canada chooses to side closer to China, and get more anti American, there will be consequences to their shitty behavior.
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Says the dumb fricker who is trying to act out Munich 1938 again.
No, you were the one who backed the Canadian Military stopping an Alberta secession.
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, I am telling you that unilateral secession is not recognized anywhere in the world.
1776 homie.
Canada goes Yugoslavia if Alberta leave.
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Thank god you can't seem to see it.
You seem to be unable to see what a disaster Canadian leaders have created.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 6:49 pm to Narax
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Same with Quebec?
When I tell you to read about '95, you should understand that Canada's legislature already dealt with this issue in a manner which leaves Alberta, if they want to leave, would have to take up arms.
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Read Option 3.
You should read that article very very closely. Because it supports my position.
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No, you were the one who backed the Canadian Military stopping an Alberta secession
Saying that Canada would use force is well within the realms of possibility.
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world.
1776 homie.
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Canada
Dummy, you realize you are agreeing with me?
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You seem to be unable to see what a disaster Canadian leaders have created.
And you can't seem to see what a disaster destroying the Atlantic relationship is. Not surprising. Read the Edmonton link you posted very closely, because it lays out the leeway that the Canadian legislature gave itself to prevent this exact situation. Good fricking christ, next time read the link before you post.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 6:51 pm to Narax
Canada would be a great addition, but it will never happen.....Western Canada that is......Ontario and Montreal areas, no thanks.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:26 pm to EastWestConnection
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why would we annex a country that has millions of Indians and chinese stinking it up and owning all the property? Canada is completely overrun.
So we could deport them?
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:29 pm to Narax
Republicans would never win the WH or a Congressional majority again.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:30 pm to crazy4lsu
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When I tell you to read about '95, you should understand that Canada's legislature already dealt with this issue in a manner which leaves Alberta, if they want to leave, would have to take up arms.
Assuming Canada was a superpower, or had not just ruined it's relationship with it's superpower neighbor.
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You should read that article very very closely. Because it supports my position.
Option 3 sure doesn't.
You should be very careful, you are assuming that the US still backs a pro China Canadian government who's leaders whip up the population into anti Americanism.
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Saying that Canada would use force is well within the realms of possibility.
But you kept referring to the situation as if it were not within the realm of possibility, in spite of it being possible to the Canadian government and laws, and to you as well as you think Military interventionism is possible.
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Dummy, you realize you are agreeing with me?
Both the USA, and Yugoslav republics unilaterally declared themselves to be free, not to mention South Sudan and a host of other countries that did not "negotiate their freedom". They won it.
Those who have never won their own freedom still cannot understand this.
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And you can't seem to see what a disaster destroying the Atlantic relationship is.
Yea Carney's dick is so deep in your ear that you don't see it.
It would be an unmitigated disaster for Canada.
And he's got you rushing into it elbows up like a fool.
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Read the Edmonton link you posted very closely, because it lays out the leeway that the Canadian legislature gave itself to prevent this exact situation.
Which if you read it all goes away if the USA is not a friend to Canada. That's the whole point of option 3.
You live in a world where the USA must support Canada, but Canada can do what it wants.
That world is ending, Carney is positioning himself as the anti-American globalist leader, you picked someone who doesn't see himself as a Canadian to lead Canada.
You dismiss Alberta as a non issue while taking from them far more than they get.
You can't see it because all you see is Trump.
But Canada is doing something really really destructive.
Canada goes boom.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:30 pm to Narax
Who even wants this?
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:32 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Who even wants this?
No one who wants Republicans to win anything ever again.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:35 pm to Narax
Annexation of Alberta would give us two more GOP senators.
Nuff said.
Nuff said.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:39 pm to Narax
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Both the USA, and Yugoslav republics unilaterally declared themselves to be free, not to mention South Sudan and a host of other countries that did not "negotiate their freedom". They won it.
Bro, you clearly don't understand what unilateral secession means. You keep agreeing with me and then using examples of times where unilateral secession led to armed conflict. Do you understand what words mean? Yes, when unilateral secession is not accepted, you generally have armed conflicts. Thank you for repeatedly reinforcing my point.
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Which if you read it all goes away if the USA is not a friend to Canada
I'm begging you, read a fricking history book.
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That world is ending, Carney is positioning himself as the anti-American globalist leader, you picked someone who doesn't see himself as a Canadian to lead Canada.
No, the liberal world order is not ending. It's far more resilient than you seem to think. This insistence of expressing hard power is going to have massively diminishing returns.
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You dismiss Alberta as a non issue while taking from them far more than they get.
It is a non-issue for several reasons.
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But Canada is doing something really really destructive.
Canada goes boom
And you believe far too much nonsense and are barely literate on top of it. You can make any bet you like if you are so confident. Lay out the timeline bub. Regale me some more with your deep understanding of 'unilateral secession' you idiot. They aren't sending their best.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 8:05 pm to crazy4lsu
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unilateral secession
You said
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Unilateral secession is not recognized anywhere in the world.
Now you say.
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when unilateral secession is not accepted, you generally have armed conflicts.
After I gave you a number of cases.
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I'm begging you, read a fricking history book.
About the future... You are drunk...
This is sad.
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No, the liberal world order is not ending. It's far more resilient than you seem to think. This insistence of expressing hard power is going to have massively diminishing returns.
You'd like it to be, you sure are forecasting quite a bit.
It's amazing how some believe they can account for all the complexity of the world...
You must be Norman Angell.
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It is a non-issue for several reasons.
Sure Norman
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And you believe far too much nonsense and are barely literate on top of it.
There you go again Norman making assumptions...
They tend to make an arse out of you.
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You can make any bet you like if you are so confident. Lay out the timeline bub. Regale me some more with your deep understanding of 'unilateral secession' you idiot.
You said something stupid now you are pretending you are right all along.
it's really sad.
I'll lay it out for you again.
You said
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Unilateral secession is not recognized anywhere in the world.
This is stupid, many countries unilaterally seceded and then won their freedom through force of arms as I gave you examples.
You agreed with me saying
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when unilateral secession is not accepted, you generally have armed conflicts.
Yes like my examples.
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They aren't sending their best.
... soo lame...
You even bragged about Canada's GDP when it's been negative per Capita.
This post was edited on 2/7/26 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 2/7/26 at 8:09 pm to Narax
You don't understand what unilateral secession means. Cool.
These are examples of unilateral secession not being accepted and leading to armed conflict. These states did not have the approval to form a new state from the original state, thus their unilateral attempt at secession was not accepted. And it lead to armed conflict. Before you come at me with more of your retardation, at least Google the terms. Christ.
Again, lay out the timeline. Put your money where your mouth is. You clearly don't know what you are talking about but respond with drivel and then keep going. Really aren't sending their best.
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This is stupid, many countries unilaterally seceded and then won their freedom through force of arms as I gave you examples.
These are examples of unilateral secession not being accepted and leading to armed conflict. These states did not have the approval to form a new state from the original state, thus their unilateral attempt at secession was not accepted. And it lead to armed conflict. Before you come at me with more of your retardation, at least Google the terms. Christ.
Again, lay out the timeline. Put your money where your mouth is. You clearly don't know what you are talking about but respond with drivel and then keep going. Really aren't sending their best.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 8:22 pm to crazy4lsu
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You don't understand what unilateral secession means. Cool.
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A unilateral declaration of independence (UDI) or "unilateral secession" is a formal process leading to the establishment of a new state by a subnational entity which declares itself independent and sovereign without a formal agreement with the state from which it is seceding. The term was first used when Rhodesia declared independence in 1965 from the United Kingdom (UK) without an agreement with the UK.
You seem to have a self conflicting self definition of it.
Israel is a perfect example, the United States and Russia both recognized Israel when they unilaterally declared freedom.
The UK washed it's hands of the mandate.
If you weren't so drunk you seem to have "thought" you meant that a unilateral secession is not accepted by the country it was leaving.
But you said.
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Unilateral secession is not recognized anywhere in the world.
Which again is stupid, there are 3rd party countries that can and do recognize and support those breakaway countries. Look at South Ossetia, "the establishment of a new state by a subnational entity which declares itself independent and sovereign without a formal agreement with the state from which it is seceding. "
But Russia is "in the world" and they recognized a "establishment of a new state by a subnational entity which declares itself independent and sovereign without a formal agreement with the state from which it is seceding. "
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And you believe far too much nonsense and are barely literate on top of it.
Hmm
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And it lead to armed conflict.
It "led" to armed conflict.
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Really aren't sending their best.
No you aren't.
This post was edited on 2/7/26 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 2/7/26 at 8:27 pm to Narax
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Which again is stupid, there are 3rd party countries that can and do recognize and support those breakaway countries. Look at South Ossetia, "the establishment of a new state by a subnational entity which declares itself independent and sovereign without a formal agreement with the state from which it is seceding. "
Nope. It is a standard part of international law. Again, you don't understand don't the term 'unilateral secession' and seem completely obtuse to the fact you don't understand it. You could perhaps Google 'is unilateral secession legal' but instead you doubled down with examples of where it was not considered legal until armed conflict.
Maybe the thought of Albertan oil makes your little dick work little Cheney, but again, the whole exercise is a non-starter, even going by the link you yourself posted. Jesus man. You are very retarded.
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