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re: A Question For Medical Experts Here; What Do You Think Caused the Spike in Autism?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:48 am to KCT
Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:48 am to KCT
From AI
reflection of changing definitions + awareness
1980s: 1 in 2,000 kids diagnosed
1990s: 1 in 500 to 1 in 250
2000: 1 in 150
2012: 1 in 88
2020s: 1 in 36
reflection of changing definitions + awareness
1980s: 1 in 2,000 kids diagnosed
1990s: 1 in 500 to 1 in 250
2000: 1 in 150
2012: 1 in 88
2020s: 1 in 36
Posted on 9/24/25 at 6:02 am to KCT
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Obtw, do you even admit that there's been an obvious increase in Autism over the years? Are you not smart enough to realize that there can be multiple reasons for any given phenomen?
Karla, take a deep breath and read. I literally responded to your question with the reason for this increase just a few posts up
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Underreporting and they have expanded the umbrella that covers autism so a lot more classify.
This is the correct answer to anyone who doesn't rely on political sources for their scientific info.
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Your inability to acknowledge that at least part of the increase is legitimate tells me that you are both a sellout and a "company man."
Your inability to read tells me you are a useful idiot.
“Company man?” Haha what does that even mean. What company do I work for?
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Hence, you are pro-Big Pharma. Own it.
You got me buddy! These Bih Pharma direct deposits are funding my very lucrative lifestyle!
This is what I mean by useful idiot. This is new maga simpleton insult: any medical professional who disagrees with me is a big Pharma sell out! Just follow your orders.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 6:49 am to blackrose890
Leo Kanner first recognized “early infantile autism” in 1943 in the professional literature. However, it did not appear in the DSM until 1980. Prior to that in the DSM, it was viewed as a schizophrenic reaction.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 6:52 am to KCT
There is no spike in the number of people with symptoms of autism spectrum disorder. There is a spike in the diagnosis. That is attributed to a significant loosening of the criteria over the years. Additionally, the general public, educators, even professionals are much more aware and educated on the early identification of symptoms of autism. Pediatricians now do early screenings for autism several times during infancy and toddlerhood. That was not the standard practice 25 or more years ago. Furthermore, more people are coming out of the woodwork for the diagnosis.
What is now known as a level one autism spectrum disorder would not have been diagnosed with autism in the past. Level one accounts for more than half of those diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder. That alone explains most of the spike in diagnoses. In the past, most of those with level one would not have been diagnosed at all, and those that were would have received a diagnosis such as pervasive development disorder NOS or Asperger’s disorder.
Those dungeons and Dragon kids in high school and all the other super nerds – many of those could be diagnosed today with ASD. Computer programmers from the 70s and 80s and onward. The same, at least a lot of them.
What is now known as a level one autism spectrum disorder would not have been diagnosed with autism in the past. Level one accounts for more than half of those diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder. That alone explains most of the spike in diagnoses. In the past, most of those with level one would not have been diagnosed at all, and those that were would have received a diagnosis such as pervasive development disorder NOS or Asperger’s disorder.
Those dungeons and Dragon kids in high school and all the other super nerds – many of those could be diagnosed today with ASD. Computer programmers from the 70s and 80s and onward. The same, at least a lot of them.
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 7:13 am
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:03 am to Boss13
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Not an expert, but I had always assumed it was because it was underreported.
My experience is that it spiked.
Why, who knows.
But I don’t get the whole “under-reported” aspect.
My childhood saw one dude that probably would have been diagnosed as autistic.
Now, in the same community, that diagnosis is hundreds of times that.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:16 am to LSUTANGERINE
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What is now known as a level one autism spectrum disorder would not have been diagnosed with autism in the past.
The word has lost all meaning because of that, though. It's like saying "Well, he doesn't play in the NBA but he's on the NBA spectrum" about me because I can dribble a basketball.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:19 am to Flats
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The word has lost all meaning because of that, though. It's like saying "Well, he doesn't play in the NBA but he's on the NBA spectrum" about me because I can dribble a basketball.
True. But still diagnosed and reported as ASD, just like someone who is diagnosed with level one who is nonverbal, as an IQ of 40,engages in stemming behavior, and may bang his head when overstimulated. Both are on the very extreme ends of the spectrum, but will have the same diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder.
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 7:29 am
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:20 am to LSUTANGERINE
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just like a nonverbal stimming head banger.
That's a shitty way to describe those kids.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:24 am to KCT
I’m no medical expert but I’ve met several pregnant women who smoked while they were pregnant and were over weight. They did nothing during the day but hold down a couch. Also had a poor diet and were not in shape before they were knocked up.
Sorry no pics.
These have to be some bad factors that affect the baby in a negative way.
Sorry no pics.
These have to be some bad factors that affect the baby in a negative way.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:26 am to Flats
quote:I’ll change it snowflake
That's a shitty way to describe those kids.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:27 am to LSUTANGERINE
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I’ll change it snowflake
No need, people say far worse here. I just hope your attitude isn't reflected in your practice if you're a medical type.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:30 am to Flats
Agreed. This is a message board. Glad you recognize that too.

This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 7:34 am
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:32 am to KCT
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taking politics out of it, we really need to fix this problem.
Correct line of thought!
So many things have been introduced on the past half century we know little about. The highest correlation seems to be genetic so the question to seek maybe what is affecting our genetic code.
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I also think the surge in vaccines has been a significant factor.
I think this is a smokescreen. I am old enough to remember going door to door for the "March of Dimes" and have seen firsthand the ravages of polio. While I do think a very small portion of the population have an adverse reaction to the vaccine, the number is acceptable to save the vast majority of the population.
Consider this, roughly a century ago, average life expectancy was 44 years. A decade or so later this number had risen to around 67. While no major medical breakthrough occurred the rise of hand washing was marked by lots of companies entering the soap business was the apparent cause.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:33 am to LSUTANGERINE
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Glad you recognize that too.
I also recognize the general arrogance of most of the docs (self described) who post here and their contempt for their patients. As I said, I hope it's not reflected IRL but I suspect it bleeds over.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:35 am to Cheese Grits
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While I do think a very small portion of the population have an adverse reaction to the vaccine, the number is acceptable
It's acceptable if that's their choice.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:39 am to Flats
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I also recognize the general arrogance of most of the docs (self described) who post here and their contempt for their patients. As I said, I hope it's not reflected IRL but I suspect it bleeds over.
I’ll stop short of saying exactly what I do. But I absolutely love my work with families and children with special needs. I absolutely politics out of it.
My personal views, in this case of ASD, is that it is simply a label that accounts for and is a descriptor of a cluster of behaviors. A diagnosis does not change one thing about a person or their characteristics. I make that clear with with those whom work with in my job. They find it refreshing. In my work, I I’m very cognizant of describing behaviors rather than a person, when talking about a person. I’m certainly not tooting my horn but just wanted to personally respond to your legitimate concerns.
Also, regarding arrogance, I do see that. In my case, I suffer from imposter syndrome at times.
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 7:41 am
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:43 am to LSUTANGERINE
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A diagnosis does not change one thing about a person or their characteristics.
No, but it typically does change how much public money is spent on them, hence the suspicion that it's over-diagnosed. It's been financially incentivized. The digital nature of the diagnosis renders the word nearly meaningless.
I'm going to guess you're a social worker of some sort. Good on you.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:46 am to duckblind56
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You really expect there are medical "experts" hanging out on TDPT board that can "expertly" and honestly answer your question?
Why not, after all, expert medical errors are the third leading killer of Americans. Myself, I don't trust anybody wearing a white coat or a black robe.
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 7:48 am
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:47 am to Flats
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It's acceptable if that's their choice.
So if I get drafted and had to serve and was killed, that was my choice?
Perhaps you never heard of Mary Mallon aka Typhoid Mary. I am old enough to remember tale told by the older generations of my family.
Mallon's case became the first in which an asymptomatic carrier was discovered and isolated forcibly. The ethical and legal issues raised by her case are still discussed.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:12 am to Cheese Grits
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So if I get drafted and had to serve and was killed, that was my choice?
No. I'm not arguing for a draft, either.
Why don't we do the same with peanut allergies and stop all this dancing around a small percentage of kids who have adverse reactions to peanuts? It'll hurt a small number of kids but that's acceptable.
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