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A prominent Evangelical pastor states why he is voting for Trump
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:03 pm
This article was written in response to an article written by another Evangelical pastor, John Piper, who says he cannot vote for either Trump or Biden.
I'll post just a snippet here, but the article is well thought out and worth the time to read if you care about the opinion of an Evangelical pastor
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I'll post just a snippet here, but the article is well thought out and worth the time to read if you care about the opinion of an Evangelical pastor
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e. With Trump, we will get good policies and character flaws, but with Biden we will get bad policies and character flaws.
It is easy to compare President Trump with a hypothetical “perfect” president and to conclude that he falls short, but that is not our choice. If Trump is not reelected, we will have President Biden, with an entirely different set of character flaws. The multiple allegations that Vice President Biden used his government office and influence to enrich members of his own family with millions of dollars from China, Russia, and Ukraine should be of deep concern, because using government power to enrich one’s own family is the consistent characteristic of corrupt leaders in many countries of the world.
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Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:20 pm to L.A.
Not sure how many know Wayne Grudem but he is EXTREMELY respected in theological circles. His book, Systematic Theology, is a staple for many seminaries and Christian colleges.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:29 pm to tigerfan0082
I had to study Systematic Theology as a part of Deacon Training many moons ago. It’s a hearty book and the basis of where I turned to Reformed Theology, but also softened my heart.
I appreciate Piper for his influence, but I disagreed where Grudem did. You are not asking me to pick between bad character vs bad policy. You’re asking me to pick between bad character vs bad character and policy.
I appreciate Piper for his influence, but I disagreed where Grudem did. You are not asking me to pick between bad character vs bad policy. You’re asking me to pick between bad character vs bad character and policy.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:37 pm to L.A.
He's got one part wrong. Biden will have to meet his maker before a year is out under that stress. Harris is a witch.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:42 pm to tigerfan0082
quote:He's already being called a hate-filled white supremacist in the replies
Not sure how many know Wayne Grudem but he is EXTREMELY respected in theological circles. His book, Systematic Theology, is a staple for many seminaries and Christian colleges.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:08 pm to L.A.
Dr. Michael Brown had a good response as well.
Bill Johnson out at Bethel also came out with an endorsement of Trump over the weekend. As the old adage goes, they're coming home to roost with a week to go.
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When it comes to Trump, we can vote for his policies while saying, “I don’t like many of the things he does and feel his example is often very destructive. I will therefore speak out when he acts wrongly and will model something different in my own life.”
But a vote for Biden and the Democrats is a vote to empower a party that wants to impose an overtly godless agenda.
Bill Johnson out at Bethel also came out with an endorsement of Trump over the weekend. As the old adage goes, they're coming home to roost with a week to go.
This post was edited on 10/27/20 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:10 pm to L.A.
Albert Mohler came out yesterday with a long article stating why he is changing his vote to Trump this time.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:21 pm to L.A.
That article uses a LOT of words to say “Trump is the lesser of two evils.”
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:21 pm to L.A.
piper's reasoning is so stupid. not voting for trump helps biden and biden is EXPONENTIALLY WORSE. not to mention that biden/kamala are being controlled by the establishment. it's absolutely absurd. at least trump PRETENDS to be conscientious and not an enemy of evangelicals. biden can't murder them fast enough. what a joke
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:44 pm to AggieHank86
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That article uses a LOT of words to say “Trump is the lesser of two evils.”
Wrong as usual.
It is a lot of words to say one evil man will enact policies that are pro-family and pro-Christian, while one evil man will enact the opposite.
What you don't seem to grasp is that we are all evil men.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:46 pm to L.A.
I don’t fault anyone who prays about his vote and then concludes he can’t vote for either candidate in good conscience.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:53 pm to bfniii
quote:Piper lives in Minneapolis. Does this say something?
piper's reasoning is so stupid
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:57 pm to BayBengal9
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What you don't seem to grasp is that we are all evil men.
This is such bad theology. The world may have fallen, but there is a sect of us out there who according to 1 Peter 2:9, have been called into a HOLY priesthood and have stepped into the light. The longer the church twiddles their thumbs and dwells on their sins without embracing the cleansing power we have a right to is the longer we go without seeing real change in our world.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 3:07 pm to Revelator
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I don’t fault anyone who prays about his vote and then concludes he can’t vote for either candidate in good conscience.
I agree, this is where I fell in 2016. But Trumps policies and the further radicalizing of Democrats makes a Trump vote pretty easy for me. In fact, this might be the easiest vote I've ever cast.
This post was edited on 10/27/20 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 10/27/20 at 3:08 pm to L.A.
John Piper is one of the good guys. He was a great influence on me when I was cutting my teeth on theology. But he's wrong here.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 3:27 pm to L.A.
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With Trump, we will get good policies and character flaws, but with Biden we will get bad policies and character flaws.
i.e., don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 3:31 pm to L.A.
I like Piper, in small doses. But he has said some dumb shite over the years. Including Pat Robertson style "Godly Retribution" nonsense re: disasters. Woof. Some of it was taken out of context. Some was not.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 3:50 pm to McLemore
Piper basically wrote his own op-ed in 2012
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This wouldn’t be duplicitous if the main point of the talk is not mainly, “I am not going to vote,” but is mainly that the system or the parties or the platforms or the candidates or the views are so flawed. So why not let the blogs roll down like rivers against the defects of it all, and then take a few minutes to vote anyway? Do the right talking and the risky walking.
Here's my reasoning. Barring catastrophe, Obama or Romney will be president (yes, I know you may see it as a catastrophe even if either does get elected). The likelihood that both presidencies will be identical in the good and evil they do is infinitesimal. One will very probably do more good amid the bad, even if only a little.
We can be part of that guess, or sit it out. God promises wisdom to those who seek it. So the likelihood that prayed-up, Bible-shaped Christians will tip the scales toward the incrementally worse regime is small. Therefore, the likelihood that we will waste our time voting seems small.
Not a very inspiring rationale. I just find it compelling in a fallen world that is not my home.
So my suggestion to all who wonder if they should vote is: Tell as many people as you can the good reasons why you are disaffected with the whole thing; then go to the polls and take a burden-bearing, pro-active risk rather than staying home and taking a burden-dropping, reactive risk.
This post was edited on 10/27/20 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 10/27/20 at 3:52 pm to L.A.
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John Piper, who says he cannot vote for either Trump or Biden
He lost my respect when he said this. You have to question the judgement of someone like this.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 3:55 pm to L.A.
John Piper is excellent and is a respected theologian. His article was well thought out and made good arguments and should be respected.
I just wanted to point out the PostScript in Grudem's article that was linked:
P.S. After I finished writing this article, I sent it to John for any comments. He replied that I had represented him fairly, and he assured me that he counted me as a dear friend. He also pointed out how I could make one of my arguments stronger! I think that only someone with a strong confidence in the sovereignty of God over all history would do that in the midst of a serious disagreement about the future of a nation.
That is respect.
I just wanted to point out the PostScript in Grudem's article that was linked:
P.S. After I finished writing this article, I sent it to John for any comments. He replied that I had represented him fairly, and he assured me that he counted me as a dear friend. He also pointed out how I could make one of my arguments stronger! I think that only someone with a strong confidence in the sovereignty of God over all history would do that in the midst of a serious disagreement about the future of a nation.
That is respect.
This post was edited on 10/27/20 at 3:56 pm
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