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re: A fact worth remembering: Those who don't believe in God argue against absolutes
Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
250 years ago, many heartfelt God fearing Christians owned slaves. They didn't consider themselves morally wrong owning salves. Now, I'd argue that all Christians probably say owning slaves is morally wrong.
So, if morality isn't a social construct and comes from God, why are these two takes so different? Were God's teachings about morality different back then?
So, if morality isn't a social construct and comes from God, why are these two takes so different? Were God's teachings about morality different back then?
This post was edited on 10/5/20 at 9:53 am
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Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
What’s up with the retcon where Christians believe they own rationalism when it didn’t exist the first 1,500 years of the religion? I would say it’s definitely true Christians and, really most religions, believe in objective truths, which should run contrary to the current left’s obsession with subjectivity. I would also say being Christian isn’t the only means for an individual to conclude they believe in objective truths.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:57 am to auburn32
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250 years ago, many heartfelt God fearing Christians owned slaves. They didn't consider themselves morally wrong owning salves. Now, I'd argue that all Christians probably say owning slaves is morally wrong.
So, if morality isn't a social construct and comes from God, why are these two takes so different? Were God's teachings about morality different back then?
you can do this with a bunch of different conflicts and wars, too. slavery is a good one, though, b/c many people used the Bible to justify it
now don't get your panties in a wad i'm not being a shitlord saying this invalidates Christianity, just how some people practice it on earth
Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:58 am to BigB123
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What’s up with the retcon where Christians believe they own rationalism when it didn’t exist the first 1,500 years of the religion?
i imagine lots of that is based in something i referenced earlier: the proliferation of the ability for populations to read
Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:59 am to GeauxTigerTM
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....though thanks to guys like you and this stated worldview, I find myself leaning more to the left on issues than I ever did as a younger man.....
Well, there's your problem I think. You want to "punish" those who have the audacity to state things you don't like.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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We may not know the exact definition of right and wrong but our morals attempt to progress toward it.
sounds like what the non-believers are literally arguing
But there is no "it" and there is no "progress" for the nonbeliever; those imply an objective standard that exists. There's only change.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:59 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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You want to "punish" those who have the audacity to state things you don't like.
That's literally what you are arguing for
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:01 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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Over 18 million being starved to death. "Ho hum" says the wealthy elite and their upper middle class servants.
What exactly are these wealthy atheist western individuals supposed to do about a protracted and domestic conflict in a nation on the other side of the world?
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:01 am to TacoNash
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That's literally what you are arguing for
?? No
Nope
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:02 am to Indefatigable
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What exactly are these wealthy atheist western individuals supposed to do about a protracted and domestic conflict in a nation on the other side of the world?
Give a shite
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:03 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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Well, there's your problem I think. You want to "punish" those who have the audacity to state things you don't like.
Why is my being pushed out of a party I've been in since I was 18 years old by folks who insist I'm on Team Jesus or I'm evil me attempting to hurt them?
I'm still waiting for you to tell us where we should go this election cycle. You seem to want to purge us...for whom should we vote if not Trump this year?
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:03 am to Indefatigable
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What exactly are these wealthy atheist western individuals supposed to do about a protracted and domestic conflict in a nation on the other side of the world?
Give a shite that triple the number of the Holocaust are being starved to death
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:03 am to Flats
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But there is no "it" and there is no "progress" for the nonbeliever; those imply an objective standard that exists. There's only change.
in day-to-day reality, there is no difference for either person
both are seeking to progress towards an impossible goal
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:04 am to Indefatigable
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What exactly are these wealthy atheist western individuals supposed to do about a protracted and domestic conflict in a nation on the other side of the world?
ironically, kill people
he's a troll
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:05 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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Give a shite
Evidence that they don’t? What does “giving a shite” look like and how is it impactful in any way for irrelevant people to “give a shite”?
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:05 am to GeauxTigerTM
I'm not on your timeline
You don't like what I've said. Deal with it.
Vote for Trump in 2020. Who knows where we are headed after that.
You don't like what I've said. Deal with it.
Vote for Trump in 2020. Who knows where we are headed after that.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:05 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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Give a shite that triple the number of the Holocaust are being starved to death
Kind of a like an Abosulute and just God should give a shite?
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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he's a troll
I'm so glad I had that conversation with Chicken years ago after being banned about how he no longer wanted religious threads on his board...
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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in day-to-day reality, there is no difference for either person
both are seeking to progress towards an impossible goal
One is rational (that doesn't necessarily mean correct) and one isn't; I'd say that's a difference.
Again, you can't call it progress if there's no objective goal.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:06 am to TacoNash
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TacoNash
you're lost
you are defending people who don't give a shite
understand?
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