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re: 4thWarmest June on Record

Posted on 7/16/14 at 11:31 pm to
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 11:31 pm to
no. I can keep track of three things at once.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 11:33 pm to
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For fricks sakes you're an idiot.

Ah yes, that sums it up.

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The proceeds go to the seller in the market.

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The government . . . . would have to buy the allowances on the market and charge it to the company.

So the company would have to pay the government a scandalous amount of extra money . . . . but not a tax





Not when the proceeds go to the seller to buy the allowance in the market. You really are a fricking idiot.
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5337 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 8:48 am to
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Last I checked we are still riding a living rock around a ball of fire in a vacuum of space with unfathomable temperature extremes. Some shits gonna fluctuate.

My point has always been the arrogance of man to think we control it, can control it, or know the temp to set the dial to.

For now, you can keep your hands off my thermostat and find some other trumped up cause to become a freedom fighter over.



So basically you believe its arrogant to consider the possibility we might be influencing climate, thus relieving you of the obligation to actually inform yourself.


Interesting.



Funny, lots of people look at the same data, see obvious manipulation and rewriting of history and disagree with your premise. I've seen quite enough to form my opinion, and every bit of new info I see seems to further cement my opinion. I have no more obligation to inform myself on this topic than I have an obligation to inform myself on big foot. The only difference is the Sasquatch nuts aren't trying to ruin the US economy while chasing their myth.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 9:49 am to
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Funny, lots of people look at the same data, see obvious manipulation and rewriting of history and disagree with your premise.


Of course. When you look at data with the belief it has been manipulated, you will see manipulation and conspiracy. Then you can post it on a blog, and other bloggers will repeat what you said - and its really gonna look like that data has been manipulated. For fricks sakes, did you know the scientists were exchanging emails between one another? Something's gotta be up with that!



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I've seen quite enough to form my opinion, and every bit of new info I see seems to further cement my opinion.


That's because you get your "info" from people who wish to reassure you of your opinion.

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I have no more obligation to inform myself on this topic than I have an obligation to inform myself on big foot.


Great then. Your input on the solution to AGW is rendered as irrelevant as your input would be if we were attacked by an army of big foots.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 9:50 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57208 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 9:58 am to
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You aren't paying it to government. The money goes to other market participants.
You should look at Europe's Cap & Trade "success".
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57208 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:00 am to
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If you boiled a gigaton of water it would not stay there long enough to alter the climate because it would precipitate out within a week.
I'm going to take a guess... Geoscience degree?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36014 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:01 am to
I've studied the data myself and the pattern is obvious.

I'm going to make some predictions:

In the next 35 years, we will see the 4th hottest June in 35 years.

In the next 35 years California will experience a drought.

In the next 35 years we will see the hottest Summer in ten years.

In the next 35 years the govt. will want to raise our taxes to "fix" the climate 35 times.
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5337 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:09 am to
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Of course. When you look at data with the belief it has been manipulated, you will see manipulation and conspiracy. Then you can post it on a blog, and other bloggers will repeat what you said - and its really gonna look like that data has been manipulated. For fricks sakes, did you know the scientists were exchanging emails between one another? Something's gotta be up with that!

No, I look at data and then am presented with clear cut evidence of the manipulation. Couple that with the demonization of anyone who questions it suggests that it isn't science at all, but a political agenda.
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That's because you get your "info" from people who wish to reassure you of your opinion.


Incorrect, I've read much pro and con. You refuse to see the evidence that your cult leaders are manipulating you.

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Great then. Your input on the solution to AGW is rendered as irrelevant as your input would be if we were attacked by an army of big foots.

Funny, I feel the same about your opinion. The difference is I don't feel the need to force you to change your behavior because of my beliefs. You however feel the need to force change on everyone based on your beliefs.
Posted by gatorrocks
Lake Mary, FL
Member since Oct 2007
13969 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:11 am to
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Funny, I feel the same about your opinion. The difference is I don't feel the need to force you to change your behavior because of my beliefs. You however feel the need to force change on everyone based on your beliefs.

This x 100000000000

Unfortunately, this is a problem on both sides of the fence.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57208 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:17 am to
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You however feel the need to force change on everyone based on your beliefs.
While simultaneously refusing to take action himself...
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123887 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:26 am to
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In the next 35 years the govt. will want to raise our taxes to "fix" the climate 35 times.
I have enough confidence in real science to believe in the next 35yrs AGW mythology will be recognized as the BS it is. That, plus the fact fusion may render the argument moot.

Either way, scientists will look back at Warmist theory with embarrassment.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36014 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:33 am to
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I have enough confidence in real science to believe in the next 35yrs AGW mythology will be recognized as the BS it is. That, plus the fact fusion may render the argument moot. Either way, scientists will look back at Warmist theory with embarrassment.


I believe you are right, but these people will never admit how arrogant they appear.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:47 am to
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Either way, scientists will look back at Warmist theory with embarrassment.


I have a question. Way back when, there was a land bridge in the Bearing Sea between Russia and Alaska. (to satisfy Spidey, I realize that neither Russia nor Alaska existed by name 15,000 years ago. So let's say the land masses that are now called Russia and Alaska to prevent him from calling me out for thinking that Russia and Alaska existed back then). It isn't there now, because, well, the earth warmed up causing the oceans to rise, covering the bridge. If Spidey and the super scientists and been around back then to institute cap and trade policies and other things like that, would we still have a land bridge from Russia to Alaska, or would the earth have said "screw y'all, I'm warming up anyways"?
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112456 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:50 am to
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I believe you are right, but these people will never admit how arrogant they appear.


True. And there are 2 levels that I call the 'pushers' and the 'buyers.'

The pushers know it's BS but they have an agenda. In fact several agendas:

a. Grants, income...gotta produce the desired result
b. De-developers..environmentalist who hate industrialization.
c. Marxists ...hate capitalism

The buyers (Tuba) actually believe AGW is true. Why?

a. They've been taught that since 3rd grade.
b. It's hot outside in the summer.
c. They feel the need to 'save' something.

The buyers accepts any statistic the pushers give them with no skepticism. They reject any statistic that disproves AGW as 'crazy deniers.'
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