re: 32 degrees at North Pole; Louisiana gulf waters rising?

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Information about the differences between satellite and surface measurements is easy to come by. Educate yourself.

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Satellites measure surface temps and lower atmosphere temps. So what is your point supposed to be?

Do you think that fixed ground based temperature stations can provide an accurate measurement of temperatures on a global basis when dealing with the randomness of two fluid systems (the atmosphere and the oceans) which, in there interactions, are products of chaos theory?

Neither stands alone. Please educate yourself and stop worrying about what other people on a bulletin board know on this subject. There are lots of people that know a whole lot more about this than you and I put together.

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Neither stands alone

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Thats part of my point. The other part is that those two massive fluid systems, whose internal changes are governed by completely separate stimuli, are, and will most likely always be, the product of unpredictability and chaos.

Do you disagree with this?

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There are lots of people that know a whole lot more about this than you and I put together.

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I agree.....and often times those experts arrive at completely different conclusions.

My point is this. "experts" be damned, the massive unpredictable systems that govern weather will, not only be unpredictable, but any effort by man to alter or control it will fail at a great cost.
We are living in a time of mass hysteria where some people will demand the cows fart less and people be genetically altered to product shorter humans (this is actually a thing) to lessen their carbon footprint and need for resources.
The Global Warming shtick is a bizarre and destructive religion.

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If I had to guess, bmy is completely unaware of how dumb and lacking in self awareness that comment is

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I forgot that you're educated trust me it's not hard to do with your whole hardline anti-environment stance

I agree with you about climate modeling but.. that wont last. In a few years we'll have the processing power to reliably do those calculations

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This is why I am a skeptic on global warming. If more than 1/3 of ice has already melted, and Miami is not underwater, then the earth is just going through another cycle.

Oh, it's supposed to be -20 at the North Pole.

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Just as an FYI, the north pole could melt completely and not raise sea levels an inch.

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agree with you about climate modeling but.. that wont last. In a few years we'll have the processing power to reliably do those calculations

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it's not a lack of processing power. Even the most detailed of weather models don't hold much long term accuracy. There's too little order in the system to do it.

I don't agree that the climate system is well described by the rules of chaos theory.

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That may be, but accounting for differences in daytime and nighttime temps still says something about what is happening. That's why time stamps, location, altitude and other such data are kept along with the temperature reading. It's not a single variable analysis. And averages are not a very scientific way of drawing inferences from data.

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they dont use averages to do science, just see trends. These people do very good science, by your post you make it sound like they dont. Climatologist still get out and use precise and accurate equipment to acquire the actual data points to plot a visual reference for whatever trend they want to understand at/from every single collection spot on the globe....the average im talking about is the amalgamation of all that information.

the 24hr cycle has absolutely no bearing on the analysis other than nitetime and daytime provide the high and lows at that collection point...They would take the low point measurements at night to get the average temperature at that spot for that 24 hr period which would then factor into the global averages. and record the high, then the low....etc.

your concern about the differences in nite and day cycles is already considered into the global temperature average.

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it's not a lack of processing power. Even the most detailed of weather models don't hold much long term accuracy. There's too little order in the system to do it.

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it boils down to physics.. nothing more. it's just ridiculously complex and we're ~10-15 years off of having the required computing power. that doesn't mean it will be done in 10-15 years.. just that we'll have the raw power required.

i say let artificial intelligence handle it anyways