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re: 2014 May = warmest on record.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:09 pm to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:09 pm to SpidermanTUba
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That's what it was before the industrial revolution. Sounds like an excellent goal.
Great - after months of this, you've finally (sort of) given me an answer.
You'd like 280 ppm. Great. How much is that going to cost and, more importantly, how many folks will have to die for us to achieve this goal quickly? (Because we have to do it right now - it is so urgent - we may already be too late, right?).
We actually reduced our emissions - a very modest bit:
But we still had that May record, so, hmm. Must be something else going on, then, correct?
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 12:11 pm
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:09 pm to OMLandshark
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You sure you're not thinking of Mercury? Venus is in the Goldilocks zone, and it's entirely feasible that it once had water on it. We'll likely never know since that planet has been straight to hell and back and none of the oceans or creek evidence would have survived. It's actually possible if we could reform the atmosphere and control Venus's volcanic activity that we could terraform it.
maybe I'm wrong but Venus is closer to the sun which would have large impacts on it's climate.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:10 pm to catholictigerfan
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maybe I'm wrong but Venus is closer to the sun which would have large impacts on it's climate.
Not as much as toxic CO2 clouds, apparently.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:13 pm to catholictigerfan
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btw this cosmos show started off showing venus and how bad it is because of it's greenhouse affect. Now a smart person who has studied at-least some astronomy understands that because venus is closer to the sun it is impossible for it to have water all of it burns off because of the suns intense temperature, on the other hand the earth which is far enough away for water to stay on the earth and not evaporate to where there is none left allows the water to collect the co2 and have just enough to make it livable. It is amazing how being so much closer to the sun has such a major impact on a planets climate. But he fails to mention this, again using these scare tactics trying to make it look like our great earth may become like venus one day.
Actually Venus would be below 100 C without its greenhouse effect - and if you included its albedo it would actually be below 0 C.
At night time the temperature on Mercury drops to below -150 C. (That negative sign is not a mistake).
The science seems to indicate that, at least for the inner planets, a planet's atmosphere can play a very significant role in its climate. But you should write NGT and tell him you know otherwise.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:15 pm to SpidermanTUba
So if gets any warmer, we all will be Redskins?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:16 pm to Ace Midnight
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Not as much as toxic CO2 clouds, apparently.
well clearly
but it's two different locations in the solar system had a major impact on how it changed.
Venus Closer to the sun can't have as much water on it, and therefore it can't take in as many co2 as the earth can. So it had a much more greenhouse effects. The earth in a seemingly perfect place in the solar system is far enough away to create an atmosphere fit for living, have water not evaporate to much but not to little or so cold that it just all freezes.
the differing places in the solar system had huge impacts on the climate of the tow plants. Venus isn't livable, Earth is completely livable and thanks to it's place in the solar system I can type on TD.com. We have TV shows and trillions of living organisms.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:18 pm to catholictigerfan
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that wasn't clear from the video
he says no, it's not the sun.
Yes. "It" is the cause for the recent upward swing in temperatures. And he's right.
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Explaining the warming effects are bought on by the green house effect to me it sounds like the sun has no impact.
Does he not explain how the greenhouse effect works?
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Global warming skeptics will point to the sun's activity, all he says is that not it's not to sun
Would like like a reference? LINK He's not just making this shite up.
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If the sun has little impact or the upswing can't be attributed to the raise in solar activity over the past 40 or so years, why did it have such a large impact on the climate in the 17th and 18th century.
Because it varied more from its mean.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:19 pm to Ace Midnight
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You'd like 280 ppm. Great. How much is that going to cost and, more importantly, how many folks will have to die for us to achieve this goal quickly?
net cost or gross cost?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:21 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Actually Venus would be below 100 C without its greenhouse effect - and if you included its albedo it would actually be below 0 C.
At night time the temperature on Mercury drops to below -150 C. (That negative sign is not a mistake).
The science seems to indicate that, at least for the inner planets, a planet's atmosphere can play a very significant role in its climate. But you should write NGT and tell him you know otherwise.
yeah I know the impact of the atmosphere I'm not an idiot. But you seem to be saying that the sun has no impact on it's climate or why it became that way. I know there are hundreds if not thousands of things that go into determining the climate of venus.
The sun has a huge impact on how the solar system developed and how certain planets came to be.
Maybe Venus could have supported life one day, but it would have been more difficult than it is on earth. It being closer to the sun has an impact on it's survivability I would think.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:21 pm to catholictigerfan
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Venus isn't livable, Earth is completely livable and thanks to it's place in the solar system I can type on TD.com.
As I mentioned above, the greenhouse effect on Venus is worth several hundred degrees Centigrade. Without it - it may actually be too COLD on Venus for life!
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:22 pm to catholictigerfan
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maybe I'm wrong but Venus is closer to the sun which would have large impacts on it's climate.
It would, but it's not unfeasible that life could survive in that environment. If the atmosphere had quite a but less CO2 than Earth does, as well as a stronger magnetic field and ozone later, then it's possible a planet in Venus' orbit could have similar conditions for life as Earth does.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:23 pm to catholictigerfan
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. But you seem to be saying that the sun has no impact on it's climate or why it became that way.
I honestly have no idea why you keep insisting that I or NGT is saying the Sun has no effect on climate. The Sun is a pre-requisite for the greenhouse effect. Anyone who says "greenhouse effect" implicitly acknowledges the role of the sun.
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The sun has a huge impact on how the solar system developed and how certain planets came to be.
Well, yeah.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:24 pm to SpidermanTUba
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net cost or gross cost?
Whatever you have.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:25 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:What is the cost of iron seeding, btw?
net cost or gross cost?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:26 pm to Ace Midnight
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Whatever you have.
The cost of switching to non-fossil fuel technologies has to be born at some point anyway - its a finite non-renewable resource. So the net difference is - long term - zero.
The cost of continued global warming is positive.
zero - positive = negative
There. Basic economics dictates that if you can gain from a transaction, you should complete the transaction.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:28 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:Proving your ignorance of the concept of present value.
So the net difference is - long term - zero.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:31 pm to LSURussian
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Proving your ignorance of the concept of present value.
A positive sum of cash now will always be a positive sum of cash in the future.
BTW - are you sure you aren't confusing the gas heater thing with a thread I posted about shutting off my water main?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:32 pm to SpidermanTUba
ok what is clear is that the greenhouse effect has an impact on the earth's climate there is not doubt about this. It is just the way he phrased it made it sound like the sun has no impact.
What I find interesting is that recently the sun has become a lot less active than people thought it would be and all of a sudden of the past 14 years our earth slowed it's warming trend and now all of a sudden it isn't warming like it was in the 80s and 90s.
now I understand that correlation doesn't imply causation, but it is something we should look into. He completely avoided this topic. Even though it was created in 2014 probably filmed in the last year or two He doesn't mention that all of a sudden the temps of earth are not increasing.
I want to here a solid argument for how the sun has little impact on the earth, and if the sun is about to go into a minimum period how the earth's temperature will continue to go up even during that time.
What I find interesting is that recently the sun has become a lot less active than people thought it would be and all of a sudden of the past 14 years our earth slowed it's warming trend and now all of a sudden it isn't warming like it was in the 80s and 90s.
now I understand that correlation doesn't imply causation, but it is something we should look into. He completely avoided this topic. Even though it was created in 2014 probably filmed in the last year or two He doesn't mention that all of a sudden the temps of earth are not increasing.
I want to here a solid argument for how the sun has little impact on the earth, and if the sun is about to go into a minimum period how the earth's temperature will continue to go up even during that time.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:33 pm to OMLandshark
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It would, but it's not unfeasible that life could survive in that environment. If the atmosphere had quite a but less CO2 than Earth does, as well as a stronger magnetic field and ozone later, then it's possible a planet in Venus' orbit could have similar conditions for life as Earth does.
it didn't so I will leave it at that
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:35 pm to SpidermanTUba
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A positive sum of cash now will always be a positive sum of cash in the future.
Not in PV terms. That's sad (eta: but not surprising) you don't understand the concept. Plus, there will likely be technological advancements in the future making solar energy electrical generation more efficient.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 12:37 pm
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