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re: 17 state attorneys general call for canceling $50K in student loan debt

Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:14 pm to
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:14 pm to
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What’s the legal rationale for “only” being able to do $50,000 supposedly by executive action


It's pretty nonsensical. Section 432(a) of the Higher Education Act is what they cite. It Ammendment Section 430 which allows forgiveness for people working g in areas of national need. The only capital see is a limit of $10,000 but there are so many ammendments that I kind of skipped and glossed over that I don't really know what the legislative intent is.

I think any authority they claim to exist is shaky at best.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:16 pm to
Interesting the number of AGs who were funded by Soros.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:18 pm to
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So if you’re just scrapping huh paying bills and a student loans payment and then your student loan payment is lessened built a large percent you wouldn’t have more money to spend?

Oh right, of course you would.

You listed “higher wages” as part of your pros for tax cuts. And the benefit to the economy is that people have more spending money. More money beyond their basic needs. And that’s exactly what this would do for millions of people.


Again, gonna need you to tell me how someone that would consider an extra $140 as "huge relief" is going to do anything other than paying on existing debt with this "huge relief."

And why programs will you be cutting to make up for this lost revenue? I know asking a liberal how to pay for their handouts is taboo, but please indulge me.

Your downvote totally stings btw
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 12:21 pm
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:24 pm to
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And why programs will you be cutting to make up for this lost revenue?

When has this ever been a consideration of legislators? You don’t have to agree with it to understand that it certainly may happen
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:26 pm to
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When has this ever been a consideration of legislators?


So let's just cancel all government backed debt then.
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:30 pm to
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So let's just cancel all government backed debt then.

Maybe they will. That’s kind of the point, their decisions don’t have to actually make any sense. It just has to make their voters feel good.
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 12:33 pm
Posted by td1
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
3176 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:32 pm to
Unfortunately for me, I was too privileged to get straight govt student loans and had to get govt backed private student loans, so they won't be paying mine anyway.

Also worked for govt in the past and when I got to 10 years, I filled out the paper work for the loans to be paid off by the govt. Turns out that doesn't apply to govt backed private student loans either.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79428 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:34 pm to
So you’re just going to refuse to believe additional spending money means people might spend more money but you’ll list “higher wages” as a benefit for tax cuts?
Posted by L1C4
The Ville
Member since Aug 2017
16567 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:36 pm to
Student loan debt is not a law enforcement issue.

They should stay in their lane.
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12943 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:36 pm to
Why don’t they use state money to pay off the student dept loans in their states .
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:37 pm to
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So you’re just going to refuse to believe additional spending money m


Gonna need you to show me that it's actual additional spending money.

I will also need you to show me how to pay for any of this. You're talking about forgiving major amounts of money. That affects budgets no matter how deep you bury your head in the sand
Posted by 79ABTEXTIGER
Abilene, TX
Member since Jul 2009
227 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:39 pm to
When my wife and I got married she had a significant college loan. We are older and this was several years ago. I received a bonus that exceeded her college debt. We used the money to pay off the loan rather than taking a vacation or buying something. There was never any doubt of what we were going to do.

It is very frustrating to me to see where we are today. What has happened to personal responsibility?

On another note. IF college loans were to be forgiven I wonder if an employer would be allowed to ask a potential employee if they have ever had a college loan forgiven. If a person does not honor the loan signed in good faith would they honor an employment contract (non complete,etc).
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 12:44 pm
Posted by Topisawtiger
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
3696 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:40 pm to
I see some on here want all student loans paid or reimbursed if you have already paid yours off. Frick you guys. What about those of us who scrimped, saved, and sacrificed and took much longer to finish by paying as we went and didn't take out loans? This whole idea of paying for student loans will just make America worse. Who needs accountability. Frick that archaic concept. Damn.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79428 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:42 pm to
1. It’s a 140 more dollars a person will have. You’re assuming all of them have other “existing debts.”

2. Again, we cut taxes without cutting expenditures all the time, and those tax cuts don’t just come back in other tax revenue. So how is this different?

This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 12:43 pm
Posted by SEC 440
Member since Jan 2021
283 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:44 pm to
How about the Attorneys General doing their job and bringing litigation against those predatory outfits

Wife and I satisfied 115k in student loans, all public loans. The ED sat on our claim against CEC for predatory practices and then denied at the 19th hour. The ED had and has regulatory authority and did cite the college for numerous violations but chose not to convey to loan holders. In my opinion the ED is as culpable as the school as are the AsG who failed their consumer responsibility

ED is Education Department
CEC is Career Education Corporation

P.S. These loans are bankruptcy proof so the consumer is boxed
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 12:55 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:46 pm to
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1. It’s a 140 more dollars a person will have. You’re assuming all of them have other “existing debts.”


Because you said it's a "huge relief." I warned you about staying consistent, and unsurprisingly, you cannot.

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2. Again, we cut taxes without cutting expenditures all the time, and those tax cuts don’t just come back in other tax revenue. So how is this different?



I would like to see some examples of tax cuts that would match the magnitude of forgiving even just the interest on all student loans.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79428 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:54 pm to
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Because you said it's a "huge relief." I warned you about staying consistent, and unsurprisingly, you cannot.


So you’re saying it’s impossible for 140 bucks to be a huge relief to anyone not drowning in other debts.

IMPOSSIBLE

I’m inconsistent.

Because that’s just not possible.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
89129 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:56 pm to
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So you’re saying it’s impossible for 140 bucks to be a huge relief to anyone not drowning in other debts.

IMPOSSIBLE

I’m inconsistent.

Because that’s just not possible.


You're right, even though 6 of 10 Americans don't have $500 in savings, we should assume that $140 would just be play money for most

Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85651 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 12:59 pm to
I didn’t see it live but saw an article about it, but apparently Biden is taking heat from the Left because he declined to forgive the $50k because he said he’s not sure he has the power to do so so maybe his lawyers are reading it the same way.

Thanks for the info, though.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79428 posts
Posted on 2/19/21 at 1:00 pm to
Whoa let’s be consistent.

You’re saying they would all spend it on “existing debt”

What if they just spend it on food. Doesn’t that stimulate the economy? Restaurants and grocery stores?

What about replacing old clothes. What about buying a car. What about stowing it away to buy a houses

All of that would stimulate the economy.

Paying off credit card debt might not but youre assuming everyone of the Has a ton of credit card debt.

Also you’re assuming this is going to be 140 across th board. My wife pays like 400 in student loan payments a month. Most of it is interest and if we got that money I guarantee it would get spent.

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