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re: 10th Circuit rules Utah gay marriage ban unconstitutional
Posted on 6/25/14 at 4:12 pm to petar
Posted on 6/25/14 at 4:12 pm to petar
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the founding fathers and lincoln weren't notoriously religious
This country was founded because of the quest for religious freedom. If you push those types of people out of this country, what makes you think it will be the same?
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 4:14 pm to imjustafatkid
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How does gay marriage change this fact?
because the two people would be married and they challenges that used to be based on the fact that two gay people were not married.
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Why didn't we address this issue instead?
It would have overlapping effects into the other areas of wills and is relatively hard to do through legislation, because its hard to define as what consitutes a "gay marriage" for will purposes. are you going to put a years together aspect? what if they had a temporary break in there like the "hall pass" situation (the movie with owne wilson)? if not years together, what other criteria could you use rather than this that could not be easily contested. allowing for marriage of same sex people is much easier.
Plus what about spousal share that is required by many states such as louisiana. If one of the unmarried same-sex couple dies without will or without a valid will, the partner is screwed.
You know why dont you cure the disease rather than fixing all the symptoms
Another symptom: taxes:
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I'm still trying to figure out what legal benefit I gained from being married. I haven't found any yet.
Have you died yet? if not, you should marry prior so your spouse will not be hit with an estate tax. While you might think it is robbery, at least you can get out of it when you or your spouse passes. gay people cannot get out of it at the current time and No the federal government isn't going to get rid of it anytime soon. so while that is a solution, it is a unlikely one.
There can be benefits of filing jointly even if you dont see them. such as if one person makes more money and one person volunteers alot, you can file jointly to allow the volunteer's persons tax deduction to also apply to the money maker.
Plus the creation of family partnerships can also be done only if married.
another symptom: Benefits:
While the federal benefit issue has been solved, what if a homosexual man works for the state, his spouse cannot get benefits. This includes current employment and post retirement benefits.
another symptom: legal benefits:
you cant sue for wrongful death claims unless you are married
If you marry a foriegn person, they get citizenship benefits. If you are gay, this cant happen.
This is just the small portion of the benefits. You can google others if you are actually interested.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 4:22 pm to imjustafatkid
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This country was founded because of the quest for religious freedom
of course but that can also include the freedom from religion which i wouldn't be surprised if many of the Deist founding fathers liked.
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If you push those types of people out of this country, what makes you think it will be the same?
They aren't being pushed out. The government is just being asked to not pick winners and losers based on certain religious beliefs no matter how universally believed.
If i recall correctly, being gay is a sin. serving gay people is not a sin nor is treating them with respect and dignity.
I seem to remember that Jesus hung out with prostitutes and sinners and washed their feet while he treated them with respect and as equals. Why do modern Christians believe that it should be any different towards modern sinners? and why not all sinners such as those who divorce or cheat on his wife?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 4:31 pm to imjustafatkid
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the forced acceptance of deviant behavior.
Is this really what it all boils down to for you? Who from the government told you you had to accept it? Everyone can tell that you're madder than hell about it right now and not accepting it. Have you received a call from the government yet telling you to accept or else?
I hope you also disapprove of marriage licenses to straight couples who have anal and oral sex, you know, cause it's deviant.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 4:45 pm to Toddy
Is being a married gay couple any better than being simply a gay couple?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:00 pm to Jrv2damac
In the eyes of those people wanting to get married, I would imagine so.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:17 pm to ballscaster
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Every state ratified the Constitutional Amendment cited in the decision.
Or had it rammed down their throat, in the case of the ex-Confederate states.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:36 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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This ruling will never affect the lives of the conservatives bitching about it in any way, shape or form.
True but it's fun to watch them melt.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:46 pm to ballscaster
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Well, I was right. 100% right. And it feels good.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:55 pm to petar
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Rights of people is not trumped by legislation in this country and never has been.
Been awhile since your last American History class, huh?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:58 pm to udtiger
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frick this country.
You may find other countries to be more your style. I suggest you look to the Middle East or Africa, where they stone gays to death.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:06 pm to ClydeFrog
The court system has ruled time and time again against legislation that has infringed upon personal rights and freedoms unless there is a substantial government interest to protect.. This is nothing different to the court system
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:09 pm to northshorebamaman
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But it's fun to watch them melt
Truth
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:12 pm to petar
And the only time the Supreme Court has weighed in on the issue is when it denied certiorari in the Minnesota case in the 70's by stating that it didn't even involve a federal question.
And, the Court was correct.
And, BTW, this was essentially the same court that invented a Constitutional right to abortion in Roe v. Wade.
And, the Court was correct.
And, BTW, this was essentially the same court that invented a Constitutional right to abortion in Roe v. Wade.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:45 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:yea verily
True but it's fun to watch them melt.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:53 pm to MMauler
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And the only time the Supreme Court has weighed in on the issue is when it denied certiorari in the Minnesota case in the 70's by stating that it didn't even involve a federal question.
what issue? marriage? no. Gay rights? no.
personal freedoms that trump legislation? no. Same-sex marriage ban? no.
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And, the Court was correct.
the court has changed its opinion on a variety of things from time to time
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And, BTW, this was essentially the same court that invented a Constitutional right to abortion in Roe v. Wade.
prbly doesn't bode well to those who don't think there is a right to marry for same sex couples wouldn't you think?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:47 pm to ballscaster
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Marriage is not a right.
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Wrong. LINK /
SCOTUS has called it a right MANY times.
You conveniently fail to mention that In all of those rulings marriage was defined as a union between a man and a woman.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:06 pm to DawgfaninCa
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In all of those rulings marriage was defined as a union between a man and a woman.
that is certainly correct. But isn't it important that they have defined marriage as a fundamental right.
Didn't they define right to privacy in the bedroom prior to deciding applying it to anti-sodomy statutes making them illegal?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 10:18 pm to Toddy
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10th Circuit rules Utah gay marriage ban unconstitutional
Good.
Congratulations to Americans fighting for their civil rights that their fellow citizens enjoy, a win for freedom and liberty.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 10:20 pm to Toddy
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