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re: 10th Circuit rules Utah gay marriage ban unconstitutional
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:58 pm to imjustafatkid
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:58 pm to imjustafatkid
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The dishonesty of people to claim anyone's rights have been infringed because not every state recognizes gay marriage is truly disgusting.
Bull shite.
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:58 pm to 90proofprofessional
tick tick tick
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:58 pm to Toddy
:Inb4angryconservatives:
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:59 pm to 90proofprofessional
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The problem with this is that everyone who has been able to enjoy this "largely religious institution" to date has also been able to enjoy benefits and support from the government for it. No one had a problem with this compromise of separation of state and religion until lifestyles not endorsed by your religion want to share in the benefits too?
Why would anyone have thought this would ever be a problem?
Also, what benefits and support from the government? Getting married put me into a higher tax bracket and has caused my wife and I to pay more taxes. Please describe these supposed government "benefits."
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:01 pm to davesdawgs
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Government should have nothing to do with marriage for this reason
I agree. but seperate but equal will not work either..
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Religious freedom is already being infringed upon by judges legislating from the bench. If I don't want to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple due to my religious convictions then I should have the right to decline service to them.
a cake that's fine but for the main services ( i forget the term) like Inns, restaurants, theaters you should not be able to discriminate based on sexual orientation just like based on religion or race.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:03 pm to imjustafatkid
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Why would anyone have thought this would ever be a problem?
Right, why would anyone? Until very recently, they've successfully & arbitrarily controlled who can enter such a contract!
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Please describe these supposed government "benefits."
No. I'm not going to do that, as you already said this, acknowledging that there are some:
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Any rights associated with marriage can be granted through civil unions.
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:03 pm to petar
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a cake that's fine but for the main services ( i forget the term) like Inns, restaurants, theaters you should not be able to discriminate based on sexual orientation just like based on religion or race.
People should be able to serve or refuse to serve whomever they wish. Governments are a different ballgame but forced acceptance is not ok.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:05 pm to 90proofprofessional
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Right, why would anyone? Until very recently, they've successfully & arbitrarily controlled who can enter such a contract!
A dishonest answer for a dishonest situation.
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No. I'm not going to do that, as you already said this, acknowledging that there are some:
And that statement is accurate. Doesn't mean there are any benefits associated with marriage. I certainly haven't acheived any extra governmental benefits from being married. Obviously you're not aware of any.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:06 pm to 90proofprofessional
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Just saying "yeah, well I'd like to get the government out of marriage" now is too little, too late, although I agree that doing so would probably be for the best.
This is the point. A smart Supreme Court would recognize the obvious conflict and rule that government should not be associated with marriage. Any government involvement should be through civil unions/contracts. If gays or atheists or whatever want to be "married" then let them create their own private institutions for bestowing said marriages. The issue is far more than a matter of semantics since the Constitution clearly states that religious freedom will not be infringed upon by government. Due to the courts' rulings, that's exactly what is happening. These people that say that no one is harmed by gay marriage are full of shite; just ask the people who have lost court battles because they have refused to provide service to gay couples due to their religious convictions.
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:06 pm to 90proofprofessional
Why haven't pot laws in colorado been declared unconstitutional? Maybe the judges are baked.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:08 pm to imjustafatkid
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Doesn't mean there are any benefits associated with marriage. I certainly haven't acheived any extra governmental benefits from being married. Obviously you're not aware of any.
"A dishonest answer for a dishonest situation", as you say.
The ability to enter a contract and have the state enforce honoring it is a benefit, as are other "rights" which are in question when a "couple" is not married. And if you can't get married, you can't enjoy that benefit.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:08 pm to imjustafatkid
Write it down, put it in a mason jar, and bury it in the back yard...
Once they've been successful in imposing gay marriage on everyone, the next step will be to force churches to perform gay marriages or lose their tax exempt status (since the church/priest/cleric is "vested" with the authority of the State to perform a legal marriage).
Once they've been successful in imposing gay marriage on everyone, the next step will be to force churches to perform gay marriages or lose their tax exempt status (since the church/priest/cleric is "vested" with the authority of the State to perform a legal marriage).
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:08 pm to imjustafatkid
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No one gets any kind of tax break by getting married so I don't really know what other benefits they could be expecting to get from this.
Oh there is no benefits from filing together or seperately when married?
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There was never any such thing as a ban on gay people having a ceremony to get married. That's not what this is about.
of course not, private marriages are private and are not under government influence.
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I think they should certainly have been allowed to enter into contracts or issue wills to give their belongings to whomever they wish when they pass away but just being married isn't going to change anything about that beacuse there's no way to guarantee these people won't get divorced.
of course not, but if they don't get divorced they don't want some anti-gay marriage brother coming in and stealing all the property that should have gone to the spouse by a will and if they would have had a marriage that would legally go to the spouse.
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'd be more than happy to fight for the rights of all people to issue wills to whomever they wish.
Wills will be contested unless they have some sort of legal contract LIKE A MARRIAGE.
There are other numerous benefits for tax purposes. like avoiding estate taxes. if your spouse dies, you dont have to pay taxes on her stuff. gay people dont get this privilege.
House insurance goes down if you are married. gay people dont get this right.
Hospital visits in certain circumstances are only for family and spouse. Gay people are denied this right
including many others but yea everyone is lying about this whole thing. its all bullshite liberal conspiracy.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:08 pm to Toddy
quote:gay marriage ban? How did they enforce that "ban"?
10th Circuit rules Utah gay marriage ban unconstitutional
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:10 pm to udtiger
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Once they've been successful in imposing gay marriage on everyone, the next step will be to force churches to perform gay marriages or lose their tax exempt status
And given the tax-exempt status they enjoy partially as a result of those legal authorities the state grants, I'd say the government would have a point.
I absolutely do not agree with the tax-exempt status of churches. Then again, I feel the same way about nonprofits in general
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:13 pm to Toddy
You unAmerican bastards love the few trumping the will of the people don't you.
Marxist, commie POS.
Marxist, commie POS.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:15 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:18 pm to Toddy
Perverts in hell will be a hot item.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:19 pm to Toddy
quote:Fun being exactly right.
"We hold that the Fourteenth Amendment protects the fundamental right to marry, establish a family, raise children, and enjoy the full protection of a state's marital laws. A state may not deny the issuance of a marriage license to two persons, or refuse to recognize their marriage, based solely upon the sex of the persons in the marriage union," the court said.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:20 pm to petar
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Oh there is no benefits from filing together or seperately when married?
There is no benefit I am aware of to filing jointly or seperately tbh. The government doesn't allow you to file as single so the only possible different result is to pay more taxes than if you were never together. That isn't always the case because some people will pay the same as if they were still seperately single, but some will pay a marriage penalty.
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Hopefully we can get this crock of shite changed now that gay people are getting married. Can you fools claim this is discriminatory against gay married couples so I can get back into my true tax bracket?
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of course not, but if they don't get divorced they don't want some anti-gay marriage brother coming in and stealing all the property that should have gone to the spouse by a will and if they would have had a marriage that would legally go to the spouse.
I support people being able to give their property to whomever they wish in a will. That doesn't require forced acceptance of depraved acts.
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Wills will be contested unless they have some sort of legal contract LIKE A MARRIAGE.
Wills should be treated as contracts. If they aren't, I support changing that.
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There are other numerous benefits for tax purposes. like avoiding estate taxes. if your spouse dies, you dont have to pay taxes on her stuff. gay people dont get this privilege.
The fact that there is an "estate tax" is criminal. Even if these people escape the estate tax it will still be charged once the spouse dies so we really aren't avoiding anything here. Please let's focus on the real problem here (the estate tax) and stop acting like there is any such thing as a benefit from what should be considered a criminal act.
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House insurance goes down if you are married. gay people dont get this right.
That's a very loose definition of a "right." Last I checked, insurance companies are private businesses. No service they provide should be considered a "right."
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Hospital visits in certain circumstances are only for family and spouse. Gay people are denied this right
Aren't hospitals private businesses too?
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