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re: Frank Vogel said Hibbert is the 2nd best rim defender in the league...
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:18 pm to Tennessee Jed
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:18 pm to Tennessee Jed
I thought we were talking about being a rim protector, not contesting 18 ft jumpers. I would expect nothing less from you than to pull stats that aren't relevant to the topic at hand though. 
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:20 pm to htran90
Like I said, that's fine by me. The top 2 defensively are Howard and Hibbert.
The best overall C is Howard.
The best overall C is Howard.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:21 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
I thought we were talking about being a rim protector
quote:
Roy hibbert faced 419 shots.
Of those 419, 54.4% were 'close range shots'.
Of those 228 attempts, 38.2% were made.
Totalling up to: 87 made shots out of 228 attempts
Dwight howard faced 409 shots.
Of those 409, 48.2% were 'close range shots'.
Of those 197 attempts, 45.7% were made.
Totalling up to: 90 made shots out of 197 attempts
So even though he makes them defer, which we all know he does, when he's tested, he actually allowed more shots than hibbert did although hibbert was tested more often.
i.e. you should attack the rim against howard more often than not.
Yes, the misinformed now see that Gasol is not as great of a rim protector as Dwight.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:24 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
The best overall C is Howard.
Not even close. He might be the least skilled big in the league. Great athlete though.
Second most overrated player of the last 20 years. He's trailing Russ Westbrook by a hair.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:24 pm to htran90
quote:Glad that we can agree on something for once
Yes, the misinformed now see that Gasol is not as great of a rim protector as Dwight.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:25 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
The best overall C is Howard.
This isn't 2011, bro.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:26 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
Glad that we can agree on something for once
Yes, and you can finally accept the fact that Hibbert (in that article) was a better overall defender than Howard. Then, we'll be making some major progress!
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:27 pm to Boomshockalocka
But he did have the best NON DUNK wearing a Superman cape. So there's that.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:30 pm to TotesMcGotes
Howard is still easily the best, I'd say he's been a top 5 player thus far in the playoffs.
PER rankings playoffs:
Howard 3rd
Gasol 83rd
PER rankings playoffs:
Howard 3rd
Gasol 83rd
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:34 pm to Boomshockalocka
You need to Geaux Lay Down
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:35 pm to htran90
quote:Or maybe it's that the times players do challenge Howard are times when they are in much better position to score... thus making their fg% higher.
So even though he makes them defer, which we all know he does, when he's tested, he actually allowed more shots than hibbert did although hibbert was tested more often.
i.e. you should attack the rim against howard more often than not.
I'm not saying that's the case, but it's certainly a possibility.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:40 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
Howard is still easily the best, I'd say he's been a top 5 player thus far in the playoffs.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:47 pm to Fun Bunch
26.0 ppg, 14.2 reb, 3.0 blk, 27.6 PER
Surely you're free to disagree with him, but there is nothing funny about that stat-line.
Surely you're free to disagree with him, but there is nothing funny about that stat-line.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:49 pm to Fun Bunch
Put it to ya like this bunchy, Howard's postseason PER would have him 3rd in the regular season behind only Durant and Lebron. You mustn't be watching if don't agree that he's been dominant.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:58 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
dominant
Good =/= dominant.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:01 pm to Hester Carries
Howard's PER = 27.6
PER MATRIX:
A Year For the Ages: 35.0
Runaway MVP Candidate: 30.0
Strong MVP Candidate: 27.5
Weak MVP Candidate: 25.0
Bona fide All-Star: 22.5
Borderline All-Star: 20.0
Solid 2nd option: 18.0
3rd Banana: 16.5
Pretty good player: 15.0
In the rotation: 13.0
Scrounging for minutes: 11.0
Definitely renting: 9.0
The Next Stop: DLeague 5.0
Yes obviously he's been "good"
For reference A few career PER numbers:
Jordan = 27.91
Lebron = 27.79
Shaq = 26.43
Clearly Dwight hasn't been dominant
PER MATRIX:
A Year For the Ages: 35.0
Runaway MVP Candidate: 30.0
Strong MVP Candidate: 27.5
Weak MVP Candidate: 25.0
Bona fide All-Star: 22.5
Borderline All-Star: 20.0
Solid 2nd option: 18.0
3rd Banana: 16.5
Pretty good player: 15.0
In the rotation: 13.0
Scrounging for minutes: 11.0
Definitely renting: 9.0
The Next Stop: DLeague 5.0
Yes obviously he's been "good"
For reference A few career PER numbers:
Jordan = 27.91
Lebron = 27.79
Shaq = 26.43
Clearly Dwight hasn't been dominant
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:03 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
PER don't lie!
Anthony Davis 26.5
Dwight Howard 21.3
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:04 pm to Fun Bunch
That's regular season, a championship has NEVER been won in the regular season.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:05 pm to Boomshockalocka
29.8
10.8
3.2
2.0
50%
PER 28.4
dat defense doe
10.8
3.2
2.0
50%
PER 28.4
dat defense doe
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