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Netflix:Also to Blame
Posted on 5/21/12 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 5/21/12 at 5:10 pm
I'm sure you can follow at least a few posters, and find a trail of angered eloquence documenting the problems with modern production, broadcast and cable companies in terms of new media. I know I'm not the only one.
And that's fair, broadcast companies haven't done enough on the new media fronts. Production companies haven't embraced them yet. And the large masses are barely new to a fully streaming content load.
But you know who else hasn't done enough? The streaming companies. At least not publicly.
We need to turn the finger, sure we talk about the glorious Netflix, the harbinger of all that is new and amazing in the digital world. The future really. It will dethrone physical media (probably not). It will bring in new availability of exposure for the independents. And world peace. Always world peace.
But have they really done enough? I'm going to say no. And here's why.
1) Advertising - Hulu has it, but can't really make a buck from it. Netflix doesn't have it for some unknown reason. It's time to bring those dollars home. Advertising is ok, and those against advertising should have to pay for every single thing that they do. We shouldn't assume that we don't need it. It's what funds MOST of our media. So let's find peace with it. 2 minute commercial breaks are nothing. Streaming or not.
2) Statistics - This is a data driven world. All TV revenue projections go through Nielsen's as it is. It's time for the Streaming companies to band together and find a solution:
a. Either they must individually have publicaly available stats, pushing the envelope for all to see
b. Or band together and create the arse: Alliance for Streaming Statistics (or they can come up with their own name). Pool their resources and start to track this. And release it like Box Office numbers. DO THIS NOW.
3) Cross Promotional Efforts - It's time for Netflix and Hulu to begin more cross-promotional efforts. It seems like they rely ONLY on their websites and advertising their plans. Find a way to market every way. Have cost-effective agreements. Find a way to profit TOGETHER. And prove that you can.
Look if studios aren't going to give series a better "After Season" marketing effort, then just default to Netflix a little more.
4) Community - Face it, both Netflix and Hulu have very weak communities. Community is the future of the now. Build one.
5) User Interface - As clean as Netlfix is, it doesn't provide me with enough information if I choose. What about a better release calender that loads more quickly? A better suggestion engine (I've rated 3,600 movies and it tells me I need to rate more movies to suggest anything else). A better organization than just genres. A better tagging system.
Maybe, just Maybe, A self-released Netflix Release Show that rates new and old releases, makes recommendations and is connected to the website.
6) Better and More distinct Payment plans - Notice I didn't say cheaper. I'm willing to pay double for more content. I'm willing to pay triple for new content closer to air dates.
Any other suggestions?
And that's fair, broadcast companies haven't done enough on the new media fronts. Production companies haven't embraced them yet. And the large masses are barely new to a fully streaming content load.
But you know who else hasn't done enough? The streaming companies. At least not publicly.
We need to turn the finger, sure we talk about the glorious Netflix, the harbinger of all that is new and amazing in the digital world. The future really. It will dethrone physical media (probably not). It will bring in new availability of exposure for the independents. And world peace. Always world peace.
But have they really done enough? I'm going to say no. And here's why.
1) Advertising - Hulu has it, but can't really make a buck from it. Netflix doesn't have it for some unknown reason. It's time to bring those dollars home. Advertising is ok, and those against advertising should have to pay for every single thing that they do. We shouldn't assume that we don't need it. It's what funds MOST of our media. So let's find peace with it. 2 minute commercial breaks are nothing. Streaming or not.
2) Statistics - This is a data driven world. All TV revenue projections go through Nielsen's as it is. It's time for the Streaming companies to band together and find a solution:
a. Either they must individually have publicaly available stats, pushing the envelope for all to see
b. Or band together and create the arse: Alliance for Streaming Statistics (or they can come up with their own name). Pool their resources and start to track this. And release it like Box Office numbers. DO THIS NOW.
3) Cross Promotional Efforts - It's time for Netflix and Hulu to begin more cross-promotional efforts. It seems like they rely ONLY on their websites and advertising their plans. Find a way to market every way. Have cost-effective agreements. Find a way to profit TOGETHER. And prove that you can.
Look if studios aren't going to give series a better "After Season" marketing effort, then just default to Netflix a little more.
4) Community - Face it, both Netflix and Hulu have very weak communities. Community is the future of the now. Build one.
5) User Interface - As clean as Netlfix is, it doesn't provide me with enough information if I choose. What about a better release calender that loads more quickly? A better suggestion engine (I've rated 3,600 movies and it tells me I need to rate more movies to suggest anything else). A better organization than just genres. A better tagging system.
Maybe, just Maybe, A self-released Netflix Release Show that rates new and old releases, makes recommendations and is connected to the website.
6) Better and More distinct Payment plans - Notice I didn't say cheaper. I'm willing to pay double for more content. I'm willing to pay triple for new content closer to air dates.
Any other suggestions?
This post was edited on 5/21/12 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 5/21/12 at 5:26 pm to Freauxzen
Netflix has sent me several emails about coming back to them. You would think they would throw out some free trials or something.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 8:24 pm to Freauxzen
Clearly I'm the only person mad at Netflix?
I shall charge their gates....alone.
I shall charge their gates....alone.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 8:50 pm to Freauxzen
Please bring Captain America with you
Posted on 5/21/12 at 9:23 pm to Freauxzen
TL;DR, although that said I will comment.
The very minute Netflix starts advertising is the very minute they stop getting money from me. Youtube has become downright annoying with all of the commercials they have.
Also they need to put the mail-only stuff online. I have to sit in a crappy office chair in front of a tiny computer screen instead of in front of a big screen, surround sound with a sofa. Don't tell me I'm not allowed to immediately download really crappy movies. That's the kind of shite that makes a person go pirate movies.
quote:
1) Advertising - Hulu has it, but can't really make a buck from it. Netflix doesn't have it for some unknown reason. It's time to bring those dollars home. Advertising is ok, and those against advertising should have to pay for every single thing that they do. We shouldn't assume that we don't need it. It's what funds MOST of our media. So let's find peace with it. 2 minute commercial breaks are nothing. Streaming or not.
The very minute Netflix starts advertising is the very minute they stop getting money from me. Youtube has become downright annoying with all of the commercials they have.
Also they need to put the mail-only stuff online. I have to sit in a crappy office chair in front of a tiny computer screen instead of in front of a big screen, surround sound with a sofa. Don't tell me I'm not allowed to immediately download really crappy movies. That's the kind of shite that makes a person go pirate movies.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 9:48 pm to Freauxzen
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I've rated 3,600 movies
Slacker. Did you stop watching movies or something?
Posted on 5/21/12 at 9:52 pm to 1fairbank
quote:
The very minute Netflix starts advertising is the very minute they stop getting money from me. Youtube has become downright annoying with all of the commercials they have.
I assume you pay for Cable too? They have commercials.
Posted on 5/22/12 at 6:25 am to Freauxzen
agree with mostly everything you said, except
If I'm paying a premium for something, I don't want advertising breaks. If Netflix started that, i'd cancel IMMEDIATELY
Why don't they offer a Netflix Lite(free) with limited free content with advertising? Seems like a good middle ground.
quote:HELL NO
2 minute commercial breaks are nothing. Streaming or not.
If I'm paying a premium for something, I don't want advertising breaks. If Netflix started that, i'd cancel IMMEDIATELY
Why don't they offer a Netflix Lite(free) with limited free content with advertising? Seems like a good middle ground.
Posted on 5/22/12 at 6:27 am to Freauxzen
quote:but you don't for HBO, CINEMAX, etc. They are not advertising driven, it's subscription based like netflix
I assume you pay for Cable too? They have commercials
Posted on 5/22/12 at 7:26 am to Pilot Tiger
quote:
If I'm paying a premium for something, I don't want advertising breaks. If Netflix started that, i'd cancel IMMEDIATELY
I'd consider Netflix a steal right now, not a premium, but to each his own.
quote:
Why don't they offer a Netflix Lite(free) with limited free content with advertising? Seems like a good middle ground.
150% agree, see my comment about more options.
Posted on 5/22/12 at 7:27 am to Pilot Tiger
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but you don't for HBO, CINEMAX, etc. They are not advertising driven, it's subscription based like netflix
Netflix has more in common with USA, which you do pay for, than HBO, Showtime, etc.
Posted on 5/22/12 at 7:45 am to 1fairbank
quote:
Also they need to put the mail-only stuff online. I have to sit in a crappy office chair in front of a tiny computer screen instead of in front of a big screen, surround sound with a sofa. Don't tell me I'm not allowed to immediately download really crappy movies. That's the kind of shite that makes a person go pirate movies.
Pretty sure you need to complain to the studios and how they sell the rights to Netflix. IIRC, in exchange for better pricing, Netflix agreed to wait 28 days after a movies release on DVD to distribute the discs. This was done by the movie studios to ramp up their DVD sales.
Now I believe the streaming rights are a separate thing that has to be negotiated. Otherwise, they are really behind on all the old crappy movies they have available on disc compared to online streaming. But considering networks like Showtime took their digital content off Netflix while they can still send out Dexter, etc, I believe it's a separate right that has to be negotiated and I doubt the studios want to lose control of their content so quickly after release.
Posted on 5/22/12 at 7:48 am to Freauxzen
quote:USA is on a bundled tiered cable package and derives its revenue from advertising, no?
Netflix has more in common with USA, which you do pay for, than HBO, Showtime, etc.
Netflix streaming is $8/month, similar to premium subsciption based channels.
For Netflix streaming to be similar to USA, it should offer itself free and add commercials, original content, etc
Posted on 5/22/12 at 7:52 am to Pilot Tiger
quote:
USA is on a bundled tiered cable package and derives its revenue from advertising, no?
And from the small portion of every cable subscription in the country, yes.
quote:
Netflix streaming is $8/month, similar to premium subsciption based channels.
Right, but you have to admit that with the production companies (HBO included) overvaluing their products, that price is unsustainable.
quote:
For Netflix streaming to be similar to USA, it should offer itself free and add commercials, original content, etc
Well, they started with Original content. I think like you said, that it AT LEAST needs a premium service with no commercials and a low cost version with commercials, best of both worlds.
Posted on 5/22/12 at 7:58 am to Freauxzen
quote:yep.
that it AT LEAST needs a premium service with no commercials and a low cost version with commercials, best of both worlds.
Netflix Premium - maybe $10-15/month, substantially increased content, no commercials, maybe partner with another premium channel like HBO to co-deliver movies, etc.
Netflix Lite - free, with advertisements, ad banners, selected content. Similar to Crackle on Roku, but with the "brand name" of netflix
Posted on 5/22/12 at 8:01 am to Pilot Tiger
Exactly.
And I'm not saying they HAVE to do that. But from a company that seems to be stagnating, they need to do something.
We haven't had an interface upgrade in a year, and no features of changed. It's like they stopped trying.
And I'm not saying they HAVE to do that. But from a company that seems to be stagnating, they need to do something.
We haven't had an interface upgrade in a year, and no features of changed. It's like they stopped trying.
Posted on 5/22/12 at 8:06 am to Pilot Tiger
quote:
Netflix Premium - maybe $10-15/month, substantially increased content, no commercials, maybe partner with another premium channel like HBO to co-deliver movies, etc.
Maybe $10-15? Try maybe much more than that for what you are describing, like $40 to over $100 depending on content. Then, you get to the point where it is almost the price of cable; so, why not just keep cable and a DVR?
edit: for clarity... you want the new shows on cable, at your request, without commercials, and premium content like HBO for $10-15 per month? Get real. Cable companies charge much more than that, and cable HAS commercials.
This post was edited on 5/22/12 at 8:10 am
Posted on 5/22/12 at 8:09 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
quote:you're forgetting the ad driven content on netflix lite. they go hand in hand. you can't price everyone out of the premium service
Maybe $10-15? Try maybe much more than that for what you are describing, like $40 to over $100 depending on content.
and at $15, you're talking about almost doubling the current price
ETA:
quote:where did I say that?
you want the new shows on cable, at your request, without commercials,
This post was edited on 5/22/12 at 8:10 am
Posted on 5/22/12 at 8:17 am to Freauxzen
quote:
overvaluing their products
I love comments like this. If you think something is too rxpensive, don't buy it. Sorry if its a show you really want to watch, it costs money, lots of it, to make some of these shows and movies. You have no idea what their cost structure is. Netflix streaming is $8 a month, if you watch 30 hours of content a month, that's pennies a day and yet, when they wanted to raise prices last year, people thru a hissy fit and canceled. Maybe, its just not workable finacially for the producers to have everything on demand for pennies a day instantly.
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