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re: Whats the better handgun
Posted on 8/20/13 at 12:25 pm to bapple
Posted on 8/20/13 at 12:25 pm to bapple
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So 45 ACP +P is considered 45 Super or does it require thicker brass?
.45 ACP +P is standard .45 ACP brass and bullets loaded about 9% hotter. .45 Super is around 50% hotter which is why .451 Detonics brass is used. .45 ACP +P is around 500 ft-lbs at the muzzle while .45 Super is approaching 700 ft-lbs. .45 Super has thicker webbing at the base, tougher brass, and heat treated differently which is why you pretty much have to buy new brass to load it yourself.
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Posted on 8/20/13 at 12:59 pm to Buck_Rogers
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Buck_Rogers
What are your credentials? YOu seem to have a lot of knowledge on the subject.
Not trolling, bashing or anything else. Just curious.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 1:07 pm to Clames
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.45 ACP +P is standard .45 ACP brass and bullets loaded about 9% hotter. .45 Super is around 50% hotter which is why .451 Detonics brass is used. .45 ACP +P is around 500 ft-lbs at the muzzle while .45 Super is approaching 700 ft-lbs. .45 Super has thicker webbing at the base, tougher brass, and heat treated differently which is why you pretty much have to buy new brass to load it yourself.
Great information. You learn something new everyday.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 1:07 pm to Buck_Rogers
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Compared to a 1911's firing system, it is different
Fixed.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 1:22 pm to bbvdd
quote:Before I dive into anything, I do my homework first. Then I learn from the experience. Sometimes they are very expensive lessons. If I don't feel like I have enough experience or knowledge to support my answers, I don't respond except with another question maybe. If someone does bring up a good point, I certainly take it into consideration. That is how I got to be where I am. I've built guns from 1911's to FAL's to G3's to Uzis to many others from the ground up. I have designed small arms operating systems that are currently in the works of being patented. Other than that, you will have to know me personally to know more.
What are your credentials? YOu seem to have a lot of knowledge on the subject.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 1:23 pm to Buck_Rogers
Posted on 8/20/13 at 1:26 pm to CptRusty
quote:Let me rephrase that. Compared to a 1911's firing system, it is WEAKER. That is a fact, unless you can somehow explain to me how 5 lbs of force is more than 20 lbs of force. I'm anxiously awaiting your answer, because you will have to prove the laws of physics wrong.
Fixed.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 1:53 pm to Buck_Rogers
I don't like the 1911 for the average everyday person who carries and has minimal training. First off let me say the 1911 is a FANTASTIC gun. But a few things I perceive as problems. 1) low magazine capacity 2) can be unreliable if not properly maintained 3) (most important IMO) light trigger pull.
In a self defense situation your adrenaline starts pumping and one of the first things your body does is start to draw blood out of your hands, arms, feet and legs to your torso. You can lose some feeling in your fingers and accidentally pop a round off when you do not intend to. I always have held the thought that those kinds of trigger set ups are damning a lot of people to firing WAY too fast and running out of ammo and could pose a risk for an AD. Womething with a little bit of a heavier trigger pull is good for a beginner/ novice
In a self defense situation your adrenaline starts pumping and one of the first things your body does is start to draw blood out of your hands, arms, feet and legs to your torso. You can lose some feeling in your fingers and accidentally pop a round off when you do not intend to. I always have held the thought that those kinds of trigger set ups are damning a lot of people to firing WAY too fast and running out of ammo and could pose a risk for an AD. Womething with a little bit of a heavier trigger pull is good for a beginner/ novice
Posted on 8/20/13 at 2:06 pm to Jma313
Those are all very good points, and things that should be considered. Just to let you know, CptRusty is obviously desperate in trying to find something that I posted to stump me on. That is why he is now pulling up old postings. The Glock vs 1911 thing was from another thread where ONLY the firing systems were being compared for reliability purposes when it comes to hard primers. I have consistently said that there is no perfect handgun that will accomplish everything all of the time. They are all compromises. We just have to find the best compromise that will suit our needs, uses and goals. Much of that is personal preference.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 2:09 pm to Buck_Rogers
Granted I live in the school of thought that one well place shot with any caliber gun is better than one shitty shot with a cannon
Posted on 8/20/13 at 2:19 pm to Jma313
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Granted I live in the school of thought that one well place shot with any caliber gun is better than one shitty shot with a cannon
AGREE 100 PERCENT
Posted on 8/20/13 at 2:21 pm to Buck_Rogers
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Before I dive into anything, I do my homework first. Then I learn from the experience. Sometimes they are very expensive lessons. If I don't feel like I have enough experience or knowledge to support my answers, I don't respond except with another question maybe. If someone does bring up a good point, I certainly take it into consideration. That is how I got to be where I am. I've built guns from 1911's to FAL's to G3's to Uzis to many others from the ground up. I have designed small arms operating systems that are currently in the works of being patented. Other than that, you will have to know me personally to know more.
What are your thoughts on using small rifle primers in black powder rifles?
Posted on 8/20/13 at 2:26 pm to Buck_Rogers
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That is a fact, unless you can somehow explain to me how 5 lbs of force is more than 20 lbs of force. I'm anxiously awaiting your answer, because you will have to prove the laws of physics wrong.
I guess your version of physics doesn't include leverage.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 2:27 pm to Buck_Rogers
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CptRusty is obviously desperate in trying to find something that I posted to stump me on.
I'm just fine bucky, still waiting for that factually backed up explanation of how a glock trigger mechanism is a design flaw...you know, since you are so damn sure of every single thing you post that you can back 100% of it up with facts, not opinion. 
Posted on 8/20/13 at 2:32 pm to CptRusty
quote:Was there something incoorect in what he posted?
still waiting for that factually backed up explanation of how a glock trigger mechanism is a design flaw...
Posted on 8/20/13 at 2:33 pm to AlxTgr
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incoorect
Posted on 8/20/13 at 2:39 pm to AlxTgr
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Was there something incoorect in what he posted?
No, but then none of it supported his ludicrous claim that the glock trigger mechanism is "flawed" either.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 2:42 pm to CptRusty
quote:Leverage is negligible with such a short distance. Don't believe me? Here's a standard striker spring for a Glock which is 5 pounds: LINK
I guess your version of physics doesn't include leverage.
How bout that? 5 POUNDS!
A standard hammer spring to a 1911 is 20+ pounds.
If you can not understand why one is more reliable at igniting hard primers than the other, then I can't help you.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 2:46 pm to AlxTgr
quote:Well put! It's nice to see some people can read.
Was there something incoorect in what he posted?
Posted on 8/20/13 at 2:53 pm to CptRusty
quote:Sounds like a flaw to me, and he didn't even mention how it's unreasonably dangerous per se. No idea how they stay in business in the US in this climate.
No, but then none of it supported his ludicrous claim that the glock trigger mechanism is "flawed" either.
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