re: Whats the better handgun

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Depending on the hollow point you choose, for the most part, those 3 don't have much difference ballistically (if using expanding ammo). If you are forced to use hardball ammo (like the military) then bigger is better.

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I would love to hear you expand on this. Pun intended. Say we are comparing a particular expanding bullet design for the 9mm, 40 and 45. If the bullet design generally expands to 125% of original caliber, then I would say bigger is better for expanding bullets just as well as full metal jacket bullets. Also, I would not choose a caliber with the hopes of it expanding. Bullets at the velocities commonly found in these calibers are notoriously unpredictable when it comes to expansion.

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But 10mm is in a league of its own.

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Maybe, if you don't take a 45 Super into consideration. Ballistically speaking, the 45 Super and the 10mm are dead even. The 45 Super's external dimensions are identical to a 45 ACP, and not by accident I might add. They were designed to be shot out of some 45 ACP pistols such as a 1911 or Glock 21 safely by simply swapping to a heavier recoil spring. This way you can use your factory recoil spring to practice with cheaper 45 ACP's. Simply swap out to the heavier recoil spring and load the pistol up with 45 Supers when you want 10mm performance. 45 Super ammo can be bought from several manufacturers. Buffalo Bore and Underwood Ammo come to mind, but there are others.

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Maybe, if you don't take a 45 Super into consideration.

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He asked me to compare the calibers he listed. 45 Super was not listed in the OP.

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I would love to hear you expand on this.

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Allow me, please.

As this video shows, the Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P in 9mm actually outperforms the Speer Gold Dot 200gr 45 ACP AND the 230gr 45 ACP in BOTH penetration and muzzle energy.

45 vs 9mm Gold Dot

Then again, with the Hornady XTP, the 45 ACP outperforms 9mm.

45 vs 9mm XTP

But then sometimes a lighter 45 ACP round will be better than both. Here's the Remington Golden Saber.

45 vs 9mm Golden Saber

But as you can see, the common theme here is that you start splitting hairs. Some 45 ACP rounds stand out above a bunch of others, like the Hornady Critical Duty. But then, the 135gr +P Hornady Critical Duty in 9mm also works great.

Also, in terms of muzzle energy, the difference is pretty negligible. A crackhead will not be able to know the difference in 25 foot pounds of energy slamming him in the chest.

Although ballistics test aren't absolutely perfect in determining what a round will do in the human body, it is the one baseline test that is standardized. Seeing how they perform here gives a pretty good idea of what a round would do in the human body, while not an absolute.


Then this opens the debate for "stopping power" that is always thrown around. Real stopping power comes from the barrel of a shotgun or rifle, not a pistol. Well, unless it's a magnum revolver.

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Also, I would not choose a caliber with the hopes of it expanding.

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This has nothing to do with caliber. This has to do with bullet design. And actually, if you want to get technical, a higher velocity round has a GREATER chance of expanding.

Overall, you should take into account the differences in 45 and 9mm. You get much more capacity and less muzzle flip for better follow-up shots. When carrying concealed, I will take 7 rounds of 9mm over fewer rounds in 45, especially when the rounds will be traveling considerably slower out of a short barrel anyway.

So, to return to my first statement, they are close to equal, although some bullet designs will perform a bit better than others. The bottom line is to choose what you are comfortable with, whether it's a 9mm, 40, or 45.

I don't understand your need to troll me when you popped up out of nowhere. I like a good discussion but the condescending bullshite is pretty annoying.

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TL;DR

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Meant for trolls, not King Ranches...

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Bapple video /thread
Multiple Bapple videos /world
Keep up the good work

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Very much appreciate it!

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Slightly heavier recoil springs but not exactly necessary for the fullsize USP since they can live with +P in factory form. Take one of your.45 ACP rounds out and look at it, now you've seen .45 Super for all practical purposes... Can build them yourself with Starline .451 Detonics brass.

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Muy interdasting...

So 45 ACP +P is considered 45 Super or does it require thicker brass? I've felt some 45 ACP cases that are extremely thin (like Remington UMC) and some 45 that's pretty thick (like Top Brass and Magtech). I may have to load some of these bad boys for my 1911.

If you weren't such a condescending dick I would have a discussion with you. But the incessant need to call someone who has been a big contributor to this board dumb and incompetent is fricking irritating.

GFY

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If you weren't such a condescending dick I would have a discussion with you.

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If that were the case, you would not have started accusing me of "trolling". You obviously can not back up what you say, because it is wrong, so you have resorted to this. Quit giving advice that you really don't have any knowledge about. And, if it takes a condescending dick to f**k a pussy, then I'll take that job for the greater good.

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I rarely post my opinions

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Work on posting even less.

No. I'm saying there is no such thing a .40 +P.

Some manufacturers might advertise their rounds as ".40 +P", but there is no such SAAMI standard (unless they came up with one the past year or so, in which case please excuse my ignorance)