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re: What would you like to know about Colt revolvers?
Posted on 5/27/19 at 9:03 pm to weagle99
Posted on 5/27/19 at 9:03 pm to weagle99
How do the new Colt revolvers compare to say a GP100?
If you were going to buy one of the new ones today (price differences ignored) - do you think it would be a good investment? It would be a woods/around farm carry (not cc) type on occasion. I don’t sell guns anymore, so it would be more of a heirloom (that’s the only reason I mentioned the word investment).
If you were going to buy one of the new ones today (price differences ignored) - do you think it would be a good investment? It would be a woods/around farm carry (not cc) type on occasion. I don’t sell guns anymore, so it would be more of a heirloom (that’s the only reason I mentioned the word investment).
Posted on 5/27/19 at 9:42 pm to 24nights
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Thoughts on the colt auto 25 cal value going up?
Which one? The pre-war model with the grip safety or the latter Spanish made gun?
Posted on 5/27/19 at 9:48 pm to weagle99
Why they stopped making the Python.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 9:48 pm to RoIITide
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How do the new Colt revolvers compare to say a GP100?
I will admit to a bias of not liking any Ruger DA revolvers. With that I especially like the new King Cobra. I handled one recently and was pleased to see the old Colt solid cylinder lockup on the gun. None of the Colt DAs have an internal lock.
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If you were going to buy one of the new ones today (price differences ignored) - do you think it would be a good investment? It would be a woods/around farm carry (not cc) type on occasion. I don’t sell guns anymore, so it would be more of a heirloom (that’s the only reason I mentioned the word investment).
It is rare to see any Colt revolver go down in value. Unless they stop making the new ones or Colt goes out of business I don’t see them being blue chip investments.
With guns my motto is buy what you like and if it appreciates in value that is a nice bonus.
All that said, the bright polish stainless guns typically draw more market interest and money.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 9:51 pm to weagle99
How do you think they compare to the S&W 686?
Tell me about it. I want a stainless 4" Python and it's upwards of $4000.
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All that said, the bright polish stainless guns typically draw more market interest and money.
Tell me about it. I want a stainless 4" Python and it's upwards of $4000.
This post was edited on 5/27/19 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 5/27/19 at 9:54 pm to Korin
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Why they stopped making the Python.
TLDR answer: The gun simply became too expensive to make and be sold at a price the market was willing to pay.
The tooling and most of the craftsman for that gun are gone from Colt. But for the sake of argument, let’s say Colt revived everything for production. We would probably be looking at a $2500-3000 gun easily. There simply aren’t many buyers at that price for a 6 shot .357 Magnum. And remember, Colt would be competing against the used Python market with thousands and thousands of guns already in circulation.
My ideal situation is for the gun to be revived, price be damned, and sold on a per order basis out of the Custom Shop. I think that is the only way we get the ‘old’ Python back.
This post was edited on 5/27/19 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 5/27/19 at 9:59 pm to Korin
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How do you think they compare to the S&W 686?
Well, it depends on what you want.
The 686 is a solid performer that needs little attention. Think of it as a nice quartz watch.
The Python has more handfitting precision and craftsmanship but also can need service after thousands of rounds ( cylinder hand stretching or replacement). In this analogy it would be a very nice automatic watch.
Standard usability or high craftsmanship? That is the choice.
Trivia: Back in the day competition shooters would install Python barrels on Smith guns to create ‘Smolts’. They wanted the Colt barrel accuracy with the Smith DA action.
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Tell me about it. I want a stainless 4" Python and it's upwards of $4000
If you aren’t opposed to a nickel finish you can probably get a similar look to the high polish stainless for less money. But nickel obviously isn’t as durable. Never use Hoppes 9 to clean a nickel gun: It will attack the copper under the nickel plating.
This post was edited on 5/27/19 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 5/27/19 at 10:29 pm to weagle99
What year was the Spanish version?
Posted on 5/27/19 at 10:34 pm to 24nights
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What year was the Spanish version?
1958 - 1968
Colt then had a company in the US make the gun into the 1970’s due to the ‘68 GCA killing the Spanish import.
Does your gun have a grip safety similar in operation to a 1911?
Posted on 5/28/19 at 1:40 am to weagle99
Smith and Wesson DA revolvers required just as much hand fitting as Colt Pythons. It was things like the extra polishing, tapered barrel and vent rib that took more time to produce. The design of the lock work was more suited for target use than durability on the Pythons. As a matter of fact, the Python was designed for 38 Special and it was a last minute change to 357 magnum when it was discovered that S&W would be coming out with the first 44 magnum that same year. That is why it requires constant maintenance. It's an inherently weaker design than Smith and Wesson double action revolvers.
The reason why Colt revolvers went the way of the Dodo bird is Colt didn't give a crap about civilian consumers because they were happy making money off their government contracts. Smith and Wesson evolved and made use of technology to keep costs down, so they could stay viable. Things like CNC machining and Metal Injection Molding make parts with far tighter tolerances, so fitting was no longer as much of an issue. Colt could have advanced their technology to continue making revolvers, but they gave us the big finger until they realized they actually need us if they are going to survive.
The reason why Colt revolvers went the way of the Dodo bird is Colt didn't give a crap about civilian consumers because they were happy making money off their government contracts. Smith and Wesson evolved and made use of technology to keep costs down, so they could stay viable. Things like CNC machining and Metal Injection Molding make parts with far tighter tolerances, so fitting was no longer as much of an issue. Colt could have advanced their technology to continue making revolvers, but they gave us the big finger until they realized they actually need us if they are going to survive.
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 2:27 am
Posted on 5/28/19 at 6:18 am to Buck_Rogers
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Smith and Wesson DA revolvers required just as much hand fitting as Colt Pythons. It was things like the extra polishing, tapered barrel and vent rib that took more time to produce. The design of the lock work was more suited for target use than durability on the Pythons. As a matter of fact, the Python was designed for 38 Special and it was a last minute change to 357 magnum when it was discovered that S&W would be coming out with the first 44 magnum that same year. That is why it requires constant maintenance. It's an inherently weaker design than Smith and Wesson double action revolvers.
Much of what you said here is inaccurate. For example: the rebound lever alone ensures that what I am calling the Colt V-spring requires more manufacturing attention than a Smith.
If you would like to start a Smith vs Colt debate thread then by all means and I will participate. This is meant to be more of a technical / info Q&A so I would appreciate you honoring the spirit of that
PS: I’m not a Smith and Wesson guy but several years ago I passed on a mint condition 5” nickel 27 and I have been kicking myself ever since! Beautiful revolver.
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 6:45 am
Posted on 5/28/19 at 7:49 am to weagle99
Do you have any diagram pictures or videos or anything that show the mechanical function of Colt revolvers compared to S&W? I find the information you've posted interesting but I'm struggling to really understand the how's and why's of parts wearing out and costing more to hand fit etc.
Posted on 5/28/19 at 8:12 am to weagle99
I like the style and delivery of the OP
The controversial question:
When is it right to carry a revolver?
The controversial question:
When is it right to carry a revolver?
Posted on 5/28/19 at 8:45 am to Huey Lewis
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Do you have any diagram pictures or videos or anything that show the mechanical function of Colt revolvers compared to S&W?
Check out this youtube clip showing the internals of a Python. The action on the other Colt V-spring guns are similar.
LINK
The rebound lever and 2-stage hand require the most attention at time of manufacture (rebound) and after years of hard use (hand).
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 5/28/19 at 8:48 am to dstone12
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When is it right to carry a revolver?
Man that is a big question with lots of personal factors. I will only say this: The Colt snubnose models offered an advantage over many competitors’ products in that the Colts were 6 shots vs. 5 shots for the others. Colt promoted this advantage in advertisements of the day.
Thanks for the compliment.
Posted on 5/28/19 at 12:31 pm to weagle99
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The 686 is a solid performer that needs little attention. Think of it as a nice quartz watch.
The Python has more handfitting precision and craftsmanship but also can need service after thousands of rounds ( cylinder hand stretching or replacement). In this analogy it would be a very nice automatic watch.
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If you would like to start a Smith vs Colt debate thread then by all means and I will participate.
You already did this. A better analogy would be:
Ruger GP100 = Quartz Watch
S&W 27 = Automatic Watch
Colt Python = Cuckoo Clock
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I’m not a Smith and Wesson guy
I actually own and have worked on more Colts than S&W. I have an unbiased opinion. I like them all, but if I could keep one 357, it would be a 6" Registered Magnum.
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 5/28/19 at 12:38 pm to weagle99
Prior to 1900, what calibers did Colt make the old Peacemaker in?
Posted on 5/28/19 at 12:59 pm to Dead Man Walking
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Prior to 1900, what calibers did Colt make the old Peacemaker in?
28 different calibers by my count for the standard model. It is probably easier for me to send you to a chart to review than try to describe them all here:
LINK
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:06 pm to weagle99
Why is it that when someone asks you a legitimate question, you point to a link to a video or chart that someone else took the time to make. Your so called expertise is nothing more than Google searches
Posted on 5/28/19 at 5:27 pm to Buck_Rogers
2 links?
Did you expect me to draw out the inner workings of a Colt I-frame revolver by hand using my phone? The poster specifically asked for picture or video.
I don’t know how to create a chart listing calibers and dates onTigerdroppings.
I don’t understand your antagonism in this thread. I’m just trying to share what knowledge I have.
Did you expect me to draw out the inner workings of a Colt I-frame revolver by hand using my phone? The poster specifically asked for picture or video.
I don’t know how to create a chart listing calibers and dates onTigerdroppings.
I don’t understand your antagonism in this thread. I’m just trying to share what knowledge I have.
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 5:33 pm
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