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Posted on 5/28/19 at 6:35 pm to 24nights
You’re welcome! Those are called the Colt Junior. NIB guns with box and paperwork will have interest from the advanced Colt auto collector. Factory nickel examples will command a premium. Higher condition guns will draw some interest from the collector looking to round out his collection. Low condition models will have shooter value and will always probably remain as such.
I think they are neat looking little pistols.
ETA: Just saw your updated post. The old 1908 Colt .25 ‘Vest Pocket’ autos are a different game from the newer ones. A very high condition model with box and paperwork will command a significant premium, and factory nickel guns even moreso. Some of these guns came from the factory with ivory and mother of pearl grips and a factory letter confirming such will increase the value signficantly!
They made alot of those guns, so there are plenty of shooter grade guns out there too that probably won’t jump much in value.
Trivia: The gun was designed by John Browning.
I think they are neat looking little pistols.
ETA: Just saw your updated post. The old 1908 Colt .25 ‘Vest Pocket’ autos are a different game from the newer ones. A very high condition model with box and paperwork will command a significant premium, and factory nickel guns even moreso. Some of these guns came from the factory with ivory and mother of pearl grips and a factory letter confirming such will increase the value signficantly!
They made alot of those guns, so there are plenty of shooter grade guns out there too that probably won’t jump much in value.
Trivia: The gun was designed by John Browning.
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 5/28/19 at 6:47 pm to weagle99
That’s great, I’ve got about 8 of them in the box, all wood grip tho. Thx
Posted on 5/28/19 at 6:53 pm to weagle99
I'm just trying to figure out why you contradict yourself, depending on the question. For instance, you say the Python lock work is superior, yet you go on about competitive shooters using "Smolts" because they liked the S&W action better. Just looking for a little consistency here. That's great if you're a Colt guy, but at least keep your answers consistent.
Posted on 5/28/19 at 7:35 pm to Buck_Rogers
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I'm just trying to figure out why you contradict yourself, depending on the question. For instance, you say the Python lock work is superior, yet you go on about competitive shooters using "Smolts" because they liked the S&W action better. Just looking for a little consistency here. That's great if you're a Colt guy, but at least keep your answers consistent.
Perhaps my answers weren’t clear, or you are reading into them.
From a hand craftsmanship and cylinder lockup perspective, I stand by my assertion that the Colt D- E- I- frame and related revolvers are superior to Smith. Colt themselves used to boast in advertisements that their design was so solid they didn’t need the front cylinder rod crane lock that Smith was forced to use. This was mainly due to cylinder rotation direction differences and Colt’s 2 stage hand design.
And when the single action shooting was the order of the day, Colts ruled the roost due to the technique used, factory support, and an excellent SA trigger pull. However when DA shooting became preferred the Smiths rapidly exceeded them in popularity due to the ‘no stacking’ characteristic of the Smith action (the Colt V-spring trigger ‘stacks’ at the end of the DA stroke due to the design of the action. Gunsmiths like Behlert and Tedford modified the actions to eliminate this on custom guns but they weren’t widespread). From the perspective of the competition DA trigger pull, the Smith is almost universally regarded as superior to the factory Colt action. Hence the Smolts that some people built to try and combine what was at that time considered the best of both worlds for competition.
It all depends on what is important to you in a revolver as to which one is better. Some people value price above all things and would rather buy a brand cheaper than Colt or Smith for instance.
Above answer was written without google.
And I still wish I had bought that nickel 27.
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 5/28/19 at 8:49 pm to weagle99
Oh, I see now. So Pythons didn't need the front cylinder lock that S&W was "forced to use", yet they are known for going out of timing. Now you are resorting to comparing the single action trigger on revolvers that are double action. I remember back on another thread that I specifically said to you that Colts were better at single action and Smiths at double action and you argued that. Stick to drinking.
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 5/28/19 at 9:20 pm to Buck_Rogers
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So Pythons didn't need the front cylinder lock that S&W was "forced to use", yet they are known for going out of timing.
As someone who claims to have worked on many of these guns, you undoubtedly know the answer to this, but for the edification of others:
Colt has never needed a cylinder ejector rod lock because 1) the cylinder turns clockwise into the frame and 2) the 2 stage hand design. Both of these features help keep the crane in place during cycling and ignition, eliminating the need for the front lock that S&W uses on its counter clockwise turning cylinder.
The 2 stage hand is the key to much of the Colt action’s claim to fame, as it produces the final bit of cylinder carry up so the cylinder is locked against the bolt upon cartridge ignition. Take an empty original Official Police, cock the gun, and hold the hammer back while pulling the trigger. You will find the cylinder completely locked in place, chamber aligned with the bore with no movement. I’m not aware of any other American DA with that feature (Maybe the German Korth has it?)
The price for such a design is that the hand takes the brunt of the recoil and after many, many rounds will need to be either peened back to the required length or replaced. This is a known, accepted maintenance item and the situation is misunderstood IMO by people unfamiliar with the action. They say the Colt is ‘out of time’ when the cylinder is not perfectly aligned while not considering that definiton means the Smith is always out of time since the cylinder is never perfectly aligned at the instant of cartridge ignition for that design (unless you count the projectile forcing the chamber into alignment as it jumps the barrel / cylinder gap).
None of that is a knock on the Smith, they are just different designs.
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I remember back on another thread that I specifically said to you that Colts were better at single action and Smiths at double action and you argued that.
I don’t remember that at all. I prefer the Colt DA trigger feel personally because that is what I am more used to, similar to the cylinder release latch.
I don’t think any of my answers will satisfy you given the tone of your comments, so this will be my last reply to your posts here. Good luck and good shooting!
* - Google was not used in the making of this post.
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 5/28/19 at 9:40 pm to weagle99
If you've fired a Colt out of time you'd know it's much different (and not fun at all) than firing a S&W that is within factory specs since the cylinder times itself when the bullet hits the forcing cone. Colts weren't designed like this and therefore once they get out of time, the cylinder will sometimes still lock up tightly, but not be aligned with the barrel.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:25 pm to weagle99
Any likelihood that Colt will bring back the Woodsman or a variation of it? Nevermind! I forgot the thread was about wheel guns!
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:41 pm to BFIV
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Any likelihood that Colt will bring back the Woodsman or a variation of it?
Unfortunately I think slim and none. There haven’t been any rumblings in that direction. Colt was selling a .22 1911 pattern model made by Umarex awhile back which is the closest we will probably get.
United States Firearms (USFA) made some noise about building a new Woodsman when they were still producing quality guns, but I don’t think the project ever happened.
If you are a fan of the Woodsman you owe it to yourself to check out colt22.com
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 8:43 pm
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