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What do y'all think about this S&W 300 whisper upper. Updated.

Posted on 11/27/13 at 8:40 pm
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
21220 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 8:40 pm
PSA
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 10:38 pm
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
12226 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 8:59 pm to
Not a huge fan of quad rails, but if it works for you then have at it. S&W makes a great rifle.

Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
21220 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 9:29 pm to
I was mainly looking at it since it's a 300 whisper.
Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 9:31 pm to
quote:

I was mainly looking at it since it's a 300 whisper.


I thought the .300 Blackout was superior? I know there's some interchangeability, but I thought Blackout was the new standard?

LC
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
21220 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 9:49 pm to
Whisper shoots both 300 whisper and 300 ACC blackout.
Posted by Ice Cream Sammich
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
10145 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 9:54 pm to
Whisper is loaded to a lower psi. You sure about that interchangeabilty?
Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 9:56 pm to
quote:

You sure about that interchangeabilty?


Look above you. Wasn't sure which was which.

LC
Posted by Rod Farva
Spurbury, Vermont
Member since Sep 2012
1136 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 9:59 pm to
Whisper can be shot out of the blackout, not the other way around.
Posted by A_bear
baton rouge
Member since Sep 2013
2476 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:06 pm to
I had the camo s&w 300 whisper. It was very accurate and I wanna say it shot the blackouts too. I ended up selling it to get my benelli. My new blackout shoots the whispers and blackouts for sure but it's not a s&w, it was "custom made" by a guy in Alabama.
Posted by Ice Cream Sammich
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
10145 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:13 pm to
That's what I said.
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
21220 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:29 pm to
Features & Benefits
Manufactured on the M&P15 modern sporting rifle platform.
Chambered in .300 Whisper®.
Will also safely fire .300 AAC Blackout.

Very effective, short range round (approx. 200 yards) for hunting deer-sized game.
Tactical application for the cartridge is for short-range target shooting.
Cartridge has a very low recoil and muzzle blast.
Designed to operate with or without sound suppressor.
Barrel threaded to 5/8-24.
Feed ramps and gas system optimized to run efficiently with a full range of factory loaded sub-sonic and super-sonic ammunition, both suppressed and unsuppressed.
Barrel twist rate (1 in 7.5”) is compatible with a wide variety of bullet weights from 110 to 220+ grains
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
21220 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:37 pm to
Nick

300 AAC Blackout and 300 Whisper ™ are not the exact same thing. It is similar to .223 vs 5.56mm in that the difference is in the neck of the cartridge.

300 AAC Blackout is SAAMI spec cartridge whose origins come off the 5.56mm case and cartridge case drawings and chamber drawings are available from SAAMI for the round and in fact are available to anyone right on line. [Click here.]

300 Whisper ™ is a Wildcat cartridge based on the 221 Fireball case and there is limited information out to the public or manufacturers in the way of cartridge drawings or chamber drawings. 300 Whisper ™ has traditionally been a round oriented toward handloaders and there is a lot of reverse engineering done out in the marketplace. There is not a published “Standard” for 300 Whisper ™ chambers and cartridges. As such, we cannot tell customers that you can shoot 300 AAC Blackout ammunition in a 300 Whisper ™ chambered firearm, or that you can shoot 300 Whisper ™ ammunition is a 300 AAC Blackout chambered firearm.

Our recommendation is that if a consumer want to cross ammunition and chambers with these two caliber, that they have the ammunition and firearm checked by a qualified Gunsmith to assure it can be done safely.

Thanks,
John Hollister | Sales Manager
Advanced Armament Corp.

If I’m reading this right, basically what John is saying is that because the .300 Whisper round isn’t a “standard” cartridge the chamber pressures of a particular Nick

300 AAC Blackout and 300 Whisper ™ are not the exact same thing. It is similar to .223 vs 5.56mm in that the difference is in the neck of the cartridge.

300 AAC Blackout is SAAMI spec cartridge whose origins come off the 5.56mm case and cartridge case drawings and chamber drawings are available from SAAMI for the round and in fact are available to anyone right on line. [Click here.]

300 Whisper ™ is a Wildcat cartridge based on the 221 Fireball case and there is limited information out to the public or manufacturers in the way of cartridge drawings or chamber drawings. 300 Whisper ™ has traditionally been a round oriented toward handloaders and there is a lot of reverse engineering done out in the marketplace. There is not a published “Standard” for 300 Whisper ™ chambers and cartridges. As such, we cannot tell customers that you can shoot 300 AAC Blackout ammunition in a 300 Whisper ™ chambered firearm, or that you can shoot 300 Whisper ™ ammunition is a 300 AAC Blackout chambered firearm.

Our recommendation is that if a consumer want to cross ammunition and chambers with these two caliber, that they have the ammunition and firearm checked by a qualified Gunsmith to assure it can be done safely.

Thanks,
John Hollister | Sales Manager
Advanced Armament Corp.

If I’m reading this right, basically what John is saying is that because the .300 Whisper round isn’t a “standard” cartridge the chamber pressures of a particular ammunition might be too much for a .300 BLK chamber to handle. Might. Possibly. Depending on the ammunition and its manufacturer. The lack of a proper specification for .300 Whisper means that some ammunition may be loaded “hotter” than normal and still be called .300 Whisper, leading to an unfortunate surprise that could blow up your gun.

Thanks to that caveat it does appear that firing .300 Whisper out of a .300 BLK firearm is possible if you get the right ammunition, as John’s closing paragraph seems to indicate. .300 Whisper WILL fit in a .300 BLK chamber (assuming the cartridge is loaded to spec), the only question is whether it will blow up on you when you pull the trigger.

The best method to avoid an explosive and bloody death when using .300 Whisper in a .300 BLK gun is to load your own ammo. And honestly, if you’re already loading .300 Whisper it’s $30 worth of reloading dies before you can swap to .300 BLK. By loading your own rounds you can ensure that your maximum load never exceeds the recommended maximum load for .300 BLK and thus be able to use the same ammunition in both firearms. might be too much for a .300 BLK chamber to handle. Might. Possibly. Depending on the ammunition and its manufacturer. The lack of a proper specification for .300 Whisper means that some ammunition may be loaded “hotter” than normal and still be called .300 Whisper, leading to an unfortunate surprise that could blow up your gun.

Thanks to that caveat it does appear that firing .300 Whisper out of a .300 BLK firearm is possible if you get the right ammunition, as John’s closing paragraph seems to indicate. .300 Whisper WILL fit in a .300 BLK chamber (assuming the cartridge is loaded to spec), the only question is whether it will blow up on you when you pull the trigger.

The best method to avoid an explosive and bloody death when using .300 Whisper in a .300 BLK gun is to load your own ammo. And honestly, if you’re already loading .300 Whisper it’s $30 worth of reloading dies before you can swap to .300 BLK. By loading your own rounds you can ensure that your maximum load never exceeds the recommended maximum load for .300 BLK and thus be able to use the same ammunition in both firearms.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
20615 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:37 pm to
So whisper can shoot both but blackout only blackout?
Posted by Ice Cream Sammich
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
10145 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:38 pm to
I read that a bit ago. Still find it odd. I haven't looked up the specs in a while but the 300BLK is considerably in psi than the 300 whisper. Also, why would you want an upper that is not SAAMI approved?
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
21220 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:39 pm to
300 blackout can shoot whisper but it is more dangerous than a whisper shooting blackout.

Just looking at options if you can't find blackout then you might be able to locate whisper.

If it wasn't a S&W I wouldn't consider.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 10:41 pm
Posted by Ice Cream Sammich
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
10145 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:41 pm to
Just read all that above. Looks like I may have my information backwards.
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
21220 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:44 pm to
I did my research awhile back that's the only reason I knew anything about it.

I just look at it like if you are buying an AR in .223 might as well go ahead and get one chambered .223/5.56.

More options.
Posted by Ice Cream Sammich
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
10145 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:56 pm to
quote:

might as well go ahead and get one chambered .223/5.56.



Exactly. However, have you seen how rare 300BLK is these days? Good luck finding 300 Whisper. Plus, any name brand whisper will be well within blackout specs.

Still don't know how I feel about getting an upper chambered in a non SAAMI approved caliber.
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
21220 posts
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:58 pm to
Harder to find than .22lr and also very expensive.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15062 posts
Posted on 11/28/13 at 7:43 am to
I have been getting my 300 BLK ammo from this website.

LINK

You can sign up for email updates and get emails when they ammo in stock. They load their ammo with some good bullet and I have had good results with this ammo on the range.
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