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Update on poodle training
Posted on 5/25/20 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 5/25/20 at 6:25 pm
I have worked with one of my wife’s poodles on and off for a month or so on his obedience. He is so dang smart. I am going to give a pretty fare shot at getting this dog to senior hunt test level. I started force today. This is a 2 & 1/2 year old white standard poodle. I have never started a lab this late. First day of force fetch and he is reaching for the dowel in 4 ear pinches. Now I get him reaching for it with just rope pressure. This process took 5 minutes and you can’t see even redness in his ear. This dog is probably going to make a retriever. Tomorrow and for the next week or so I will be trying to get him aggressively fetching off of the ground. It has been a while since I have done this but feels like riding a bike. He is doing everything great so far.
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Posted on 5/25/20 at 7:16 pm to Ppro
Pinch collar baw.
When was the last time you FF a dog?
When was the last time you FF a dog?
Posted on 5/25/20 at 7:37 pm to KemoSabe65
I don’t know. Probably 6-8 years. I never used any of the nazi interrogation props. I always used a more teach type approach than a heavy hand approach. I taught fetch as any other command and reinforced with the collar. I think I had pretty good success and definitely never left a training session out of breath or mad. I don’t know if Bill Hillman does anything similar but I think he does. I talked to him once and wanted to ask but thought of it after he left. I look for understanding the command and reinforce it with ear pinch on refusal and praise on accelerating to the fetch. A lot less stressful on me and the dog. I never saw the need to treat this command from any other. I almost always had a dog aggressively picking up off the ground in a few days. When done properly the dog associates the pull on the collar (by hand or rope) as a precursor to pressure and reacts quickly to avoid punishment and fetch what is in front of them. Really a much more humane and to me just as effective way of getting a goog fetch response
Posted on 5/25/20 at 8:43 pm to Ppro
You were always better at it than me.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 8:53 pm to KemoSabe65
Not better. Just different. Many ways to skin a cat.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 9:56 am to Ppro
Good stuff. Keep up the updates please! I think it is a grand idea to continue the practice of all sporting dogs being trained to hunt.
I started a yellow lab female at about 30 months once. A friend was dying of cancer and asked that I take her in. He was a duck hunter but his medical condition started when the dog was about 10 weeks old and he just did not have the time or stamina needed to train her. She turned out pretty good...and it wasn't that difficult really...she was much more mature and focused but she never had the drive that she would have had if she had been hunted in her first year and the game drive was instilled when she was impressionable. She would retrieve, handle and was well disciplined but she was never as interested in doing so as a dog that was started earlier.
My current lab was started at about 16 months. I got her at 7 weeks and disciplined trained her but I had a pinched nerve in my back that nearly crippled me for about a year and I couldn't do much more than bench train and work her in the yard from a lawn chair. She is a damned good dog but I chalk most of that up to genetics. It is never too late to train them it just takes a different approach....and of course they will have been trained in bad behavior of course which is much harder to overcome
I started a yellow lab female at about 30 months once. A friend was dying of cancer and asked that I take her in. He was a duck hunter but his medical condition started when the dog was about 10 weeks old and he just did not have the time or stamina needed to train her. She turned out pretty good...and it wasn't that difficult really...she was much more mature and focused but she never had the drive that she would have had if she had been hunted in her first year and the game drive was instilled when she was impressionable. She would retrieve, handle and was well disciplined but she was never as interested in doing so as a dog that was started earlier.
My current lab was started at about 16 months. I got her at 7 weeks and disciplined trained her but I had a pinched nerve in my back that nearly crippled me for about a year and I couldn't do much more than bench train and work her in the yard from a lawn chair. She is a damned good dog but I chalk most of that up to genetics. It is never too late to train them it just takes a different approach....and of course they will have been trained in bad behavior of course which is much harder to overcome
Posted on 5/26/20 at 3:20 pm to Gtmodawg
I am on second day of what I will call force fetch. My sessions of actual training last at best 5-8 minutes. I am seeing a willingness to fetch the dowel from ground. I get better results with a session in the morning and another later. The goal is to get junior or senior level dog. I have never run a junior test but have run plenty of senior tests. I am going to train through this year and look to run the spring tests. I will say it again that this dog is the smartest dog I have trained and feel that any rush or bad training will be amplified. I am over the biggest part of this endeavor of getting back into a routine of training. Kemo will tell you we were pretty deep into training a while back and it was pretty much all we did. I am glad to not pressure myself and take my time with this one.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 5:29 pm to Ppro
Poodles are smart no doubt. When my wife wanted to get a bigger dog, we agreed on a Goldendoodle because of how smart the standard poodle is. He learns quick and is very observant with everything. Obedient dog also without much pressure.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:24 am to GoAwayImBaitn
My golden doodle is smarter than most humans. Very responsible around kids and follows commands like he’s getting a paycheck.
My labradoodle is on crack I’m sure of it.
My labradoodle is on crack I’m sure of it.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:47 am to Hog Zealot
I know what you mean. My goldendoodle learned hand signals without being taught, he just started sitting one day on his own I noticed when I'd just point to the ground. Around kids, he walks slowly behind them at a constant distance of about 2 feet. It's funny to watch. He's not even 2 years old yet and has calmed down alot in the last year.
My wife has friends at work with both goldendoodles and labradoodles. Seems the labradoodles are a little bit more on the wild side but still good dogs
My wife has friends at work with both goldendoodles and labradoodles. Seems the labradoodles are a little bit more on the wild side but still good dogs
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:56 am to Ppro
Does the poodle enjoy retrieving? Plenty of dogs don't, you can teach them to do something but they don't live for it. My golden retriever will wear me out on fetching, she'll go longer than my arm will be able to throw.
I don't know, I know poodles are smart but dogs are bred for their natural abilities just seems like fighting a losing battle to me OP. I wish you the best of luck though.
I don't know, I know poodles are smart but dogs are bred for their natural abilities just seems like fighting a losing battle to me OP. I wish you the best of luck though.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:04 pm to baldona
Poodles were the original retrievers but have been relegated to the show ring primarily. IF you can find one without the hunt bred out, It could be the start of a niche worth $$$$$.
Ppro has had his hands more dogs than this site combined so, he knows his way around training. He is also MENSA smart with a calm training philosophy, much calmer than mine.
Ppro has had his hands more dogs than this site combined so, he knows his way around training. He is also MENSA smart with a calm training philosophy, much calmer than mine.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:09 pm to KemoSabe65
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Poodles were the original retrievers but have been relegated to the show ring primarily
Interesting, my parent's Goldendoodle can't catch or fetch with a shite. Its the worst catching dog I've ever seen, as in you toss a treat up and it will hit the dog in the face. Its pathetic. If our dogs are together, it doesn't care at all to chase a ball or anything.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:12 pm to baldona
My Yorkie/Poo runs from a tossed snack also but is a good squirrel chaser.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:24 pm to baldona
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Does the poodle enjoy retrieving?
one of ours does, her life revolves around it.
all she wants to do is run and fetch shite for us. sits on the couch with her ball in her mouth for hours, sleeps with it, constantly brings it to us, etc
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:31 pm to baldona
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I know poodles are smart but dogs are bred for their natural abilities just seems like fighting a losing battle to me OP.
I made the mistake of talking down on a friend that trained a Labradoodle once and I had to eat most of my foot and I thought maybe some of his so I know them frickers are smart and will retrieve. The shite hits the fan when you are about 30 ducks into a hunt and the geese are working too and it is about 20 degrees and sleeting rain. I know Labs are going to plow through that hunt if they are legit. Will a Poodle?
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:35 pm to MWP
Got to pet a standard at the launch weeks ago, coat was 2” of solid carpet. Would bet they handle cold water as well or better than any lab. Going to have my Ppro dog sporting a flat top like his owner.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:38 pm to KemoSabe65
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coat was 2” of solid carpet
Frick, do they come with bilge pumps too? I could only imagine the drenching you would get every time that animal shakes. Just added ammunition to stick with Labs.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:50 pm to MWP
Show us on the doll where the poodle touched you...
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:14 pm to baldona
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Interesting, my parent's Goldendoodle can't catch or fetch with a shite. Its the worst catching dog I've ever seen, as in you toss a treat up and it will hit the dog in the face. Its pathetic. If our dogs are together, it doesn't care at all to chase a ball or anything.
My goldendoodle will fetch but he's not a machine at it like my neighbor's lab is. He does it when he wants to lol
He's more of a family dog and wasn't raised to hunt. When he's around the lab, he will compete but the lab smokes him at catching and getting to the ball. He can catch, but not as well as the lab. This lab is crazy though. You hum a tennis ball right at her like a fast ball and she will catch it just about everytime. She is 9 years old though and he still isn't 2 yet.
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