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re: Thoughts on Diversions and the Coastal Master Plan

Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:48 am to
Posted by Scrowe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:48 am to
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Well considering that the State's stance is that private land owners can own water bottoms


Here is a link from the state land office that can help those looking to learn more on the subject. There is more to it than just someone owning a water bottom.
Posted by Scrowe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2010
2939 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:54 am to
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The point is, there are active cases, but it's handled locally away from public eye.


As are all trespassing cases, it's not like they are taking an offense like murder and keeping it under wraps. Trespassing happens all the time and it's never brought to the public's attention.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5868 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:01 am to
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I don't have the answer but at some point people are going to catch on that they are funding the restoration of Charle Drake Fetcher's duck lease. I suspect the outcome will not be pretty. This is part of the reason why you have a hard time finding any active trespass cases from the marsh. Everyone at the DA's office knows if they put the screws to tourist, word will get out and they will be fricksville.


I agree with you (weird). My problem is I don't have the answer either, and I don't know anyone that does. I'm more in line with Scrowe's thinking that at some point, we're all just going to have to do what's best for the coast in its entirety, regardless of any private/public issue. There is no way to solve all of these problems at once, but the main, over-arching problem here is land loss and its subsequent effect on the ecosystem as a whole, which includes the fishery, wildlife habitat, and protection from storm surge. That should be public enemy number one, and everything else should be ancillary. Obviously problems would be created in doing that, but IMO they pale in comparison to losing the marsh.

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There is more to it than just someone owning a water bottom.


Let's stay away from that topic in here . This has been a very informative thread.
Posted by CajunCommander
FloodZone
Member since Jan 2015
1875 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:12 am to
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at some point, we're all just going to have to do what's best for the coast in its entirety, regardless of any private/public issue


This. This has been a great thread and I would assume most of outdoorsman in here are pretty passionate about our coast. Hopefully one day this will all come to fruition

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owning a water bottom

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Let's stay away from that topic in here

Good idea....
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:18 am to
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I know of a couple, one in Lafourche Parish system in particular. It may have been settled in May, not sure. I can point you to some warning letters as well, sent to the address where the boat was registered, they got the registration numbers and looked it up in the WLF system somehow.

The point is, there are active cases, but it's handled locally away from public eye.



Do you know the details of their case? Because as far as I can tell, criminal trespass cases are few and far between if they exist at all. I have never been able to find any evidence one way or the other.
Posted by Ignignot
Member since Mar 2009
18823 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:33 am to
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For the cypress/tupelo swamps to thrive, you need cyclic flooding. They don't regenerate when it's completely flooded all of the time. They need to include a way to shut off the water if they are serious about building it.


from what i understand the water will only be flowing in higher water times of the river
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
2025 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:07 am to
I know the name, but would rather not share.
Close friends have paid the $250 after the mandatory court appearance, trust me it's happening out there.

The one I referenced was going to be challenged in court for a date set in May, but I have not checked back with those involved since I came back from an off the grid vacation.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5868 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:14 am to
If you know of anyone else that gets slapped with a trespassing charge for something down there, send them my way. That's the stuff I'm into.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87351 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:17 am to
What type of actions are people doing to actually get a charge?
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
2025 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:20 am to
Well... your chances of being billable goes up with every pasing day... just hang out in Lafourche and Terrebonne.
:-)
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:24 am to
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I know the name, but would rather not share.
Close friends have paid the $250 after the mandatory court appearance, trust me it's happening out there.

The one I referenced was going to be challenged in court for a date set in May, but I have not checked back with those involved since I came back from an off the grid vacation.


Interesting. I know it's happening but it's usually the result of someone being a dickhead and not going away quietly when asked to leave.
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
2025 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:39 am to
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What type of actions are people doing to actually get a charge?


fishing or boating in waters that are deemed "private".

We've hijacked another thread.

Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87351 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:43 am to
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deemed "private".
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
2025 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:43 am to
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I know it's happening but it's usually the result of someone being a dickhead and not going away quietly when asked to leave


interesting dynamic involved in these and it's usually a difference of opinion. It depends on what side of the fence you are on when applying the dickhead label.
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:51 am to
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It depends on what side of the fence you are on when applying the dickhead label.


In this case I am applying the dickhead label to the person who was ticketed. I don't think I have ever heard of anyone getting a ticket after being asking to leave and leaving peacefully.
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
2025 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:59 am to
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I am applying the dickhead label


Through deductive reasoning, can we claim you are the OB's serial down voter?
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:09 pm to
No.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:26 pm to
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I agree that we have to do something and that diversions are the answer as the compliment the whole suite of projects in the master plan was just curious to see what my fellow sportsmen were thinking.


This. We cannot have any meaningful impacts without them, but they will do relatively little on their own.
Posted by Scrowe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2010
2939 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:26 pm to
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We've hijacked another thread.


Thought earlier in the thread it was stated we would try and keep this out of here
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:32 pm to
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I think dredging would work in most areas along our coast.

We like to overanalyze/overstudy things when in reality they will probably work.


Dredge and fill operations will absolutely work to create immediate "lands". Without a source of depositional sediment, those lands will immediately start eroding. The nature of the beast is that these projects will be placed in errosional areas (to address an ongoing erosion problem). See what we are creating here? A HUGE maintenance dredging issue.

Dredge and fill needs to accompany sediment diversions, which need to accompany barrier island restoration, which need to accompany vegetative plantings, etc, etc, etc.....
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