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re: The Great Outdoors and FISTFIGHTS.......(inspired by boat launch thread)

Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:26 pm to
Nvm i did it in english units.

Lets say the difference between 50 mph and 90 mph.

You would need to loose roughly 59' of hull contact for the wake to stay the same over that change in speed. 59 fps faster, so you need to loose 59' of contact length.
Posted by faxis
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:26 pm to
Let me get this right... you guys are now arguing about prop wash and calling it a wake?

Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:27 pm to
We agree on something every now and then
Posted by The Sportsman
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:29 pm to
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Lets say the difference between 50 mph and 90 mph.
no. 30mph and 60+. My boat is on a pad at 50-90. Terrible sample data
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:31 pm to
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Let me get this right... you guys are now arguing about prop wash and calling it a wake?


Hey, I didn't bring that up and my response to it was more "not worth my effort" than anything.
Posted by Slickback
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:31 pm to
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We agree on something every now and then


I like when y'all disagree. Good entertainment.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:34 pm to
And that is the point i am trying to make. You dont loose surface area nearly as fast as you gain speed on the top end, you your wake is increasing.

Its the same for any difference in speed once you are on plane. For 10fps difference, you have to loose 10' of contact with the water.
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:40 pm to
TD would suck if everybody agreed with everybody
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

Lets say the difference between 50 mph and 90 mph.
Huge difference in amount of hull in the water.
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You would need to loose roughly 59' of hull contact for the wake to stay the same over that change in speed. 59 fps faster, so you need to loose 59' of contact length.
I do not believe this holds up on planing hulls.

Let's talk about a boat capable of 90. Are you seriously suggesting that the wake on shore is going to be higher/greater at 90 than 50?
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:48 pm to
I had to
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:51 pm to
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We agree on something every now and then
I've never been so insulted in all my life!
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:58 pm to


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Huge difference in amount of hull in the water.

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I do not believe this holds up on planing hulls.


One you are on plane, you can pretty much treat this as a flow over a flat plate. It applies more to a planing hull than a barge. A barge is plowing more where a planing hull is sliding more.

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Are you seriously suggesting that the wake on shore is going to be higher/greater at 90 than 50?


Not higher, no. There is more wave, it is just drastically elongated. I'm not talking about just the height of the waves you make, I'm talking about the wake.
Posted by AboveGroundPool
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 1:01 pm to
u do realize that when a bass boat is on pad there is roughly 9 feet or so of surface area touching the water right?

compared to the surface area of just about the entire bottom of the boat plowing and drafting water
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 1:03 pm
Posted by The Sportsman
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 1:05 pm to
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9 feet
your boat. Yes.

A bullet or Allison. Not a chance. A foot or two max. You're driving on 6" each side of the "v" on the pad
Posted by AboveGroundPool
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 1:06 pm to
true, i was being coservative...it would be much less on those
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 1:07 pm to
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Not higher, no. There is more wave, it is just drastically elongated
Then why are we even discussing this?
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 1:09 pm to
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u do realize that when a bass boat is on pad there is roughly 9 feet or so of surface area touching the water right?

compared to the surface area of just about the entire bottom of the boat plowing and drafting water



Yes I understand that.

What I said was to go 1.4mph faster once on plane 1 more foot of boat has to come out of the water to keep the wake constant. More than a foot has to come out for the wake to actually be reduced.

Yall are thinking of just how much wave height is produced. That isn't all there is to a wake.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 1:11 pm to
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Then why are we even discussing this?


Because I'm bored.

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There is more wave, it is just drastically elongated


I said that a long time ago and people kept telling me I was wrong so I kept going.
Posted by AboveGroundPool
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 1:15 pm to
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Yall are thinking of just how much wave height is produced.


because that is what ppl bitch about bc that's what causes damage
Posted by bbvdd
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 1:21 pm to
I've been in a bass boat where I'd bet less that two feet of the boat was touching water (not including the motor)

When a boat starts rocking back and forth not much of it is in the water.
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