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re: The Fly Fishing Thread: Questions, pics, discussion all herePosted by Polar Pop on 10/17/17 at 9:35 am to AubieALUMdvm
Is it recommended to line 1 size up for a novice like myself?
I "cast" fairly well, I just cant get it to shoot off and lay out with much distance
I "cast" fairly well, I just cant get it to shoot off and lay out with much distance
re: The Fly Fishing Thread: Questions, pics, discussion all herePosted by AubieALUMdvm on 10/17/17 at 11:56 am to Polar Pop
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Is it recommended to line 1 size up for a novice like myself?
That's a long debate. I think by increasing the load on the rod (which is all that overlining is doing) you can chuck bigger flies or cast into a head wind a little better. Increasing the load on the rod does seem to slow it down just a little bit which I like. I find my preference is somewhere around medium to medium fast action for anything over a 5 weight.
If someone is going 2x or more overlining I have to wonder if they just need a different rod. If someone here does this and has a good reason I'd be curious to hear about it.
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I just cant get it to shoot off and lay out with much distance
What kind of distance we talking? And for what type of fishing?
Maybe it's not the weight of the line but the type of line? There are shooting lines with shorter, heavier heads.
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I upload all my rods at least one line weight for easier loading (casting distances). If you fish both fresh and light saltwater, a 6 wt uplined with 7-8 wt line is a good compromise.
This isn't good advice. Uplining can be beneficial in certain limited circumstances, and even then you should only upline by one weight. I keep one 8wt reel spooled with 9wt line every time I go flats fishing just for days when it's blowing +20kts. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've used it.
Starting out by uplining won't do anything for you except cover up any deficiencies with your cast and teach you bad mechanics. Further, presentation matters in most saltwater scenarios. Heavier lines are very hard to present effectively. They slap the water hard and often turn flies over too fast.
The other thing to consider is most saltwater tapers (these days) are already made about .5wt heavier than advertised. In other words, a lot of these redfish/punch/bonefish tapers are really like 8.5wt instead of 8wt to help load the rod at short distances. If you were to put an 8wt redfish taper on a fast action 6wt rod, it's gonna feel like you're throwing a chain with a snoopy pole. Very difficult to control and cast accurately.
I agree that a 5wt is a great all around freshwater rod. If you're going to have one saltwater rod, get an 8wt instead of a 7.
This post was edited on 10/17 at 12:54 pm
I have many fly rods (somewhere around 18), I have never used a heavier line on any of them.
I don't have a problem with it, it's just not something that I would do. I am a very good caster however, plus I'm pretty tall (that helps a lot I'm sure)
If you Polar Pop, if you aren't getting the distance there are likely just a few things to try.
Make sure you stop your back cast with the rod pointing straight up. On your forward cast, your thumb should be directly on top of the rod and pushing down harder than you think it should.
Make sure the line is completely straightened out on your back cast.
Learn the double haul.
I don't have a problem with it, it's just not something that I would do. I am a very good caster however, plus I'm pretty tall (that helps a lot I'm sure)
If you Polar Pop, if you aren't getting the distance there are likely just a few things to try.
Make sure you stop your back cast with the rod pointing straight up. On your forward cast, your thumb should be directly on top of the rod and pushing down harder than you think it should.
Make sure the line is completely straightened out on your back cast.
Learn the double haul.
re: The Fly Fishing Thread: Questions, pics, discussion all herePosted by AubieALUMdvm on 10/17/17 at 8:14 pm to bluemoons
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bluemoons
I know you're big on the BW triangle taper line - i was looking up the head weight and it's 243 gr. The current line I am using (rio outbound short) has about same head length but is 330 gr.
Now most of the time I have enjoyed this line and can still get a pretty delicate presentation. There have been some instances, usually (not always) toward the end of the day when im tired and casting gets sloppier, that the weight of the line head I think is causing me to not deliver as nice of a presentation. Do you think the lower weight would help with this?
re: The Fly Fishing Thread: Questions, pics, discussion all herePosted by bluemoons on 10/17/17 at 8:47 pm to AubieALUMdvm
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Now most of the time I have enjoyed this line and can still get a pretty delicate presentation. There have been some instances, usually (not always) toward the end of the day when im tired and casting gets sloppier, that the weight of the line head I think is causing me to not deliver as nice of a presentation. Do you think the lower weight would help with this?
IMO yes. I'm not one to get really technical with fly lines, but the taper of the BTT is a different animal. It's tough to describe. You just have to cast it.
I can compare it to SA salt lines, because I'm a SA fan too. The Wulff BTT is technically heavier by grain than SA redfish and saltwater tapers. The SA redfish taper feels like it's a full weight heavier though, whereas the Wulff BTT can give you really delicate presentations while still loading really well. I don't think it makes much of a difference for redfishing under normal circumstances, but it makes all the difference in the world when flats fishing. It's also much easier to cast for longer periods of time.
I have Rio Tropical Outbound Short intermediate. I can cast it further than any other line I've got, but it's really tiring and it sucks at presenting flies delicately.
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My son had a colllege fall break, so we burned our Wyoming Antelope points and drew a good unit. We made a great stalk in blowing snow on his 15" goat. I tagged out later that day. Both of us shot 257 WBYs. We moved camp to the Miracle Mile, and Scott proceeded to put on a show with the fly rod. I caught a few, including a 17" bow on dry. I'm a below average fly fisherman, but sure enjoy fishing Western streams.
Me and this kid have been going on adventures since he could walk. He's in School in Colorado now, so they are fewer and further between. Every day in the field is a gift, and this trip was one of the best.
My son had a colllege fall break, so we burned our Wyoming Antelope points and drew a good unit. We made a great stalk in blowing snow on his 15" goat. I tagged out later that day. Both of us shot 257 WBYs. We moved camp to the Miracle Mile, and Scott proceeded to put on a show with the fly rod. I caught a few, including a 17" bow on dry. I'm a below average fly fisherman, but sure enjoy fishing Western streams.
Me and this kid have been going on adventures since he could walk. He's in School in Colorado now, so they are fewer and further between. Every day in the field is a gift, and this trip was one of the best.
re: The Fly Fishing Thread: Questions, pics, discussion all herePosted by AubieALUMdvm on 10/18/17 at 2:04 pm to bluemoons
I appreciate this advice. I was thinking I might just buy another spool and then get the triangle taper line. I can exchange spools for outbound rio on windy days
This post was edited on 10/18 at 2:06 pm
re: The Fly Fishing Thread: Questions, pics, discussion all herePosted by Riseupfromtherubble on 10/18/17 at 11:35 pm to bluemoons
I know you've posted this before, but I'm in the camera market and have always been impressed with your pics. What camera/lenses are you using for most of your shots?
re: The Fly Fishing Thread: Questions, pics, discussion all herePosted by bluemoons on 10/19/17 at 9:15 am to Riseupfromtherubble
I appreciate it . My body is a Canon 7d mk ii. I have several lenses and all have their purpose, but my most used lenses for fish photography on a skiff are a Tokina 11-20 f/2.8 and a Canon 35mm f/1.4L mk i. Shooting photos on skiffs involves pretty close quarters though. It changes if I'm wading or something.
This post was edited on 10/19 at 9:16 am
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re: The Fly Fishing Thread: Questions, pics, discussion all herePosted by PapaPogey on 10/23/17 at 5:36 pm to AubieALUMdvm
Well, after getting my life back in order I’m back to the fly fishing game and came home to this in the mail. Cant wait to get out and try it. Now I just need to find someone to pole me around. Cortland Liquid crystal guide is going on it (got a good deal on NIB from a buddy of mine).
I was thinking about the 10/12 because of the ability to run a 8/10 spool, but the price threw me off a little and I wanted something smaller for what I’ll be doing to start. I figured I’ll buy a 10wt if this hobby really sticks for me.
I’m gonna try to get some slime on it this weekend if the weather cooperates.
I’m gonna try to get some slime on it this weekend if the weather cooperates.
This post was edited on 10/23 at 7:37 pm
re: The Fly Fishing Thread: Questions, pics, discussion all herePosted by dutchtiger on 10/26/17 at 1:59 pm to bluemoons
Currently using the Orvis Encounter 6wt outfit. I would like to upgrade my arsenal and get a dry fly rod(9ft), nymphing rod (10ft), and a 7-8 ft rod for pond fishing around wooded areas. Do y'all have any recommendations?
re: The Fly Fishing Thread: Questions, pics, discussion all herePosted by bbvdd on 10/26/17 at 2:24 pm to dutchtiger
where are you fishing?
For dry fly I'd say a 8.5 or 9 ft 4wt.
I do a lot of nymphing up on the white and norfork but I do not have a special rod for it. Maybe out west you need one but not sure around here.
not sure on the pond fishing.
How much are you looking to spend?
I'm a huge fan of St Croix I think I have about 8 or their rods. They're all older but great action on them. Also a big fan of Sage.
If you don't want to spend that much look at TFO.
For dry fly I'd say a 8.5 or 9 ft 4wt.
I do a lot of nymphing up on the white and norfork but I do not have a special rod for it. Maybe out west you need one but not sure around here.
not sure on the pond fishing.
How much are you looking to spend?
I'm a huge fan of St Croix I think I have about 8 or their rods. They're all older but great action on them. Also a big fan of Sage.
If you don't want to spend that much look at TFO.
re: The Fly Fishing Thread: Questions, pics, discussion all herePosted by AubieALUMdvm on 10/26/17 at 4:30 pm to bbvdd
Yeah, let's take this 1 rod at a time.
Where you're fishing really changes the recommendation - Most of my dry flies are thrown on a 7 or 8 ft 3 wt but I'm also usually doing that in really tight spots.
Personally I like a medium or even slow action rod for dries and that type of fishing - do you like or know if you like slow to medium action rods?
Where you're fishing really changes the recommendation - Most of my dry flies are thrown on a 7 or 8 ft 3 wt but I'm also usually doing that in really tight spots.
Personally I like a medium or even slow action rod for dries and that type of fishing - do you like or know if you like slow to medium action rods?
re: The Fly Fishing Thread: Questions, pics, discussion all herePosted by bbvdd on 10/26/17 at 6:07 pm to AubieALUMdvm
Aubie - you need a bamboo rod.
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