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re: So wildlife and fisheries can basically do whatever they want?

Posted on 12/20/11 at 3:42 pm to
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/20/11 at 3:42 pm to
I also call BS on that story. First, I doubt the agent was allowed on base to talk to anyone. Second, I've never known bombers to carry any type of weapon other then bombs. The B-2 and B-52 have no external options. This is why they are almost always in an escort of fighter jets. Third, if it was infact a fighter(and not a bomber) then he would not be going slow enough to even see the deer unless of again he was in an A-10 in which case he'd probably just tell the agent frick off or I'll mow your shite down.
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 3:45 pm to
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Posted by jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
6508 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 3:49 pm to
quote:

This story is either completely fabricated, details were left out or your 4th amendment right was completely trampled on.


No details left out. We were shooting pistols and were in my yard but legally far enough away from other houses to do so. 3 officers showed up cause of a call-in complaint. Looked at the house, looked at the gun, asked questions and left.
SO I guess, My rights were completely trampled on then. I saw no reason for the game warden to be there and always heard that was they case as far as they had more power than FBI.
It was a college area too, cops pretty much do what they want.
Posted by CommunityCollegeFTW
Member since Apr 2011
19144 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 3:55 pm to
It was a Louisiana Warden?

Not that it matters, your story is highly suspect regardless.
This post was edited on 12/20/11 at 3:56 pm
Posted by chickman1313
Mandeville
Member since Dec 2007
4922 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

If you own land in Mississippi then it's a LOT cheaper to transfer your residence there in your name get their plates and hunt for free on the land. Buying a lifetime LA fishing if you want to fish BEFORE you do that though.


yup, thats what i did, im now a ms resident, both vehicles and everything registered up there
Posted by FalseProphet
Mecca
Member since Dec 2011
11707 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:06 pm to
It really baffles me that some people believe that the title "game warden" automatically strips you of your legal rights in their presence. Last time I checked, there wasn't a game warden exception to the Bill of Rights.

The Fourth Amendment doesn't magically disappear because of the person's title. For that matter, neither does the Fifth Amendment.

Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:08 pm to
I find it amazing that more people do not.
Posted by Flair Chops
to the west, my soul is bound
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Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:10 pm to
Posted by computerguy
Orlando
Member since Oct 2007
1236 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:11 pm to
quote:

A guy at work said his dad was in the Air Force stationed up in colorado or somewhere around there and during the test runs one of the bombers locked on to a deer, the commanding officer told him to light it up and he did. Just so happen to have a WF agent watching the deer when he lit him up. By the time the plane landed at the base, the agent was there and told him that the pilot and officer better be out of that state by the next day or he was going to seize the plane and throw both of them in jail. Later that night they were reolcated to Mississippi.



I call shenannigans on that story. Was that guy honestly saying that there were bombers roaming around searching out random deer to "light it up"? What were the shooting it with? What weapon can lock on to a animal? Where was the deer than a wildlife agent was watching the deer? Was this on a designated range and the warden was trespassing? How did they know that the "weapon" wouldn't lose "lock" on the deer and then "lock" on the agent? How would the agent seize a plane that is already the property of the federal government? You should falcon punch that "guy at work" for telling such an unbelievable story.


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I can't imagine the military would randomly fire on any land that could have civilians roaming around public or private. So if there were in a live fire drill they would have to be in military space of some sort. Also would a wildlife agent even be allowed to be there for safety or security concerns.

Out of curiosity are wildlife agents allowed to even enter military restricted space. I would assume that there jurisdiction would end at the fence line?
This post was edited on 12/20/11 at 4:13 pm
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:13 pm to
The problem is that the state does not own the land the base sits on(most of the time). It's Federal Land thus the Game Warden has no jurisdiction.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
19748 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:17 pm to
quote:

It's Federal Land thus the Game Warden has no jurisdiction.


Some state WLF Agents (like LA) are federally deputized to enforce federal laws.
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:18 pm to
I'd still say good luck getting through the guard at the gate.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
19748 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

I'd still say good luck getting through the guard at the gate.



When I was active duty, the local cops would come on base quite frequently when they had business on there.
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
16276 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:23 pm to
quote:

Just remember that a GW needs to meet the same requirements to search your house and car as any other LEO, unless you're in the field.


This is NOT true!! Please, don't go around spreading this BS, because it is absolutely false.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
19748 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:28 pm to
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This is NOT true!! Please, don't go around spreading this BS, because it is absolutely false.



Yeah you must be right, I'm only a LA GW, not like I know my legal limitations or anything.
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:30 pm to
I think there is a slight difference between local LEO's then a W&F agent.
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
16276 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:31 pm to
Like was stated earlier, alot is left to interpretation. You theoretically could say you suspect someone is hiding something in their home, or has broken some wildlife law and just make your way right into their house or car.

Is this, or is this not true?
Posted by Flair Chops
to the west, my soul is bound
Member since Nov 2010
35575 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:31 pm to
hey, since you're a game warden, what is the fine/punishment for hunting with a non primitive weapon during primitive weapon season?
This post was edited on 12/20/11 at 4:32 pm
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
19748 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:33 pm to
quote:

I think there is a slight difference between local LEO's then a W&F agent.



Its all law enforcement at the end of the day.
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
16276 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:36 pm to
Search with or without warrantThe laws in many U.S. states allow game wardens to conduct certain types of searches with or without search warrants. The law in Louisiana for instance states in part "...any commissioned wildlife agent may visit, inspect, and examine, with or without [a] search warrant, records, any cold storage plant, warehouse, boat, store, car, conveyance, automobile or other vehicle, airplane or other aircraft, basket or other receptacle, or any place of deposit for wild birds, wild quadrupeds, fish or other aquatic life or any parts thereof whenever there is probable cause to believe that a violation has occurred. Commissioned wildlife agents are authorized to visit or inspect at frequent intervals without the need of search warrants, records, cold storage plants, bait stands, warehouses, public restaurants, public and private markets, stores, and places where wild birds, game quadrupeds, fish, or other aquatic life or any parts therof may be kept and offered for sale, for the purpose of ascertaining whether any laws or regulations under the jurisdiction of the department have been violated...."[3] The laws in other states may grant more or less search and seizure authority. These exceptions granted to game wardens are still considered to fall within the constitutional limits of search and seizure as outlined in the U.S. Constitution.[citation needed]

I know you can't believe everything you read on the inernet, but this comes from Wikipedia.

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