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re: Petition to make all tidal waters open to public
Posted on 1/29/17 at 10:27 am to mylsuhat
Posted on 1/29/17 at 10:27 am to mylsuhat
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Deer and ducks are "owned" by the state. Just because a deer wanders onto land that I own, it doesn't mean that you have the right to hunt and kill it; that goes for bass too.
This is really one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Thanks for making me one step closer to stupid this Sunday AM.
It's not about your land. Your land is covered by water, and that friend makes it water not land. Someone owns all land. Let's use make it easy, and put up a no trespassing sign at the entrance to LA from all the gulf access, and at every boat launch. It'll be easier that way.
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 11:19 am to Passing Wind
So... do you consider tidal marsh to be land or water?
Posted on 1/29/17 at 11:31 am to AlxTgr
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Man, your desire to trespass is beyond my comprehension.
It's actually the opposite, I want to be out there and not feel like a trespasser everywhere I go. I unfortunately am very informed on the civil codes and statues on the matter and that is the cause of the concern. I don't want to be considered a tresspasser everywhere we go. I know good people who have had to pay the ticket and have it on their record, for doing something we all love and could each get served papers for doing. Now it will be hard for him to buy a gun, get a concealed carry, difficult getting home loans, etc...
This is a tangled web that does not have to be this way and it's not as easy as saying don't trespass. Saying such a thing tells me one is not familiar with what is actually happening in today's Louisiana waters, but only familiar with black and white and what is written down.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 11:42 am to Fratigerguy
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The overwhelming majority of conversation on this is about the marsh. But there are many who are bringing this into the same argument as back waters well north, and the "rights" of fishermen to access water over property during floods (fishermen, crawfishermen, etc). That's a shite ton more tricky, and I'd bet if someone owned property on the water, they'd feel pretty strongly about not wanting someone to park a boat outside their bedroom window after a hard rain. On another note...I wonder how many folks would change their tune on this if the landowners were offering fishing leases and they were the recipient of one of those leases. I bet they'd be perfectly fine with their own little piece of paradise
Posted on 1/29/17 at 11:44 am to Dock Holiday
How is that horseshite analogy any different than someone coming into your yard and having a bbq?
Someone owns that land. You know, paid money for it. It's theirs. Period!
Someone owns that land. You know, paid money for it. It's theirs. Period!
Posted on 1/29/17 at 12:29 pm to Fratigerguy
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and the "rights" of fishermen to access water over property during floods (fishermen, crawfishermen, etc). That's a shite ton more tricky,
Agree and that's a whole other topic to me. Flooded lands (above normal high water mark) should not me in this conversation. I believe this based, on th OP, is about free flowing water at average high water mark.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 12:36 pm to the LSUSaint
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owns that land.
That's the thing to me and many. Land and water have, in history, had very different sets of laws. That is undeniable. The definition of "land" is the sticky part for Louisiana, there are no doubt arguments on both sides. The 1812 crowd and the ones who think the 1812 rule is dumb.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 1:10 pm to rballa19
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It's really odd how Louisiana is the only state with laws like this. Why not make it like the rest of the country?
Did you know that in Vermont you are welcome to hunt in any woods, be it private property or not? If you don't want someone to hunt on your property you must put up a fence and / or have no trespassing signs up at specific intervals. If the signs do not meet the requirements people are still welcome to ignore them and hunt on your land.
Not that this is relating to this topic, just found that interesting from some family that lives up there. I personally find this crazy and would fight to chame it or just move, but hey states rights and all that jazz.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 1:13 pm to Dock Holiday
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That's the thing to me and many. Land and water have, in history, had very different sets of laws. That is undeniable. The definition of "land" is the sticky part for Louisiana, there are no doubt arguments on both sides. The 1812 crowd and the ones who think the 1812 rule is dumb.
Yep, this entire deal should really be up to the citizens of Louisiana. I admit I'm not familiar with the marsh land there but what I am used to you cannot own water, you can in Louisiana though.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 2:06 pm to AlxTgr
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Not sure what exactly you mean, but think of it this way. Currently, these waters are privately owned. If those waters are made public, there has been a taking of property simply because people want to fish. That might be the most selfish thing I've ever heard of.
It's not selfish, because not only would I be able to fish, but every other licensed fisherman/woman/child could fish it, too. That's not selfish, that's looking out for my fellow outdoorsmen.
Posted on 1/29/17 at 2:14 pm to rballa19
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That's not selfish, that's looking out for my fellow outdoorsmen.
This!!!!
Posted on 1/29/17 at 2:30 pm to The Rodfather
Louisiana had similar law (minus the fence). Land had to be legally posted. The problem is that someone (a trespasser) can easily take down a few posted signs and claim it wasn't legally posted
The other problem is that people are so sue happy now so people that once allowed people to fish/hunt their canals are now gating it off because of the liability and the trash left behind. Not worth it
The other problem is that people are so sue happy now so people that once allowed people to fish/hunt their canals are now gating it off because of the liability and the trash left behind. Not worth it
Posted on 1/29/17 at 2:36 pm to Ron Cheramie
Lawyers screw up everything
Posted on 1/29/17 at 4:35 pm to Dock Holiday
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Agree and that's a whole other topic to me. Flooded lands (above normal high water mark) should not me in this conversation. I believe this based, on th OP, is about free flowing water at average high water mark.
Yeah, you're right, and this thread clearly is about tidal waters. I was just bringing it up because I've seen a few folks posting it on facebook and commenting about it because they are crawfishermen, and saying such. I probably should not have brought that to this conversation since no one here is talking about it.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 6:56 pm to happy hour 2
Curtis Breaux has a gate... the Michele canal isn't going to be gated as of now
Posted on 1/30/17 at 9:23 pm to rballa19
quote:Oh please.
It's not selfish, because not only would I be able to fish, but every other licensed fisherman/woman/child could fish it, too. That's not selfish, that's looking out for my fellow outdoorsmen
Posted on 1/30/17 at 10:17 pm to Dock Holiday
What about your fellow outdoorsmen who own or lease land in old established clubs rather than freeloading off their fellow paying outdoorsman?
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