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re: Ole Josh Goins and FFL Made It Bigtime...
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:31 pm to dwr353
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:31 pm to dwr353
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Please keep an open mind and consider possible reasons.
Tell that to the FFL. I'm a biologist, I'm open to anything if you can back it up with data. They don't. It's all emotion-driven. Goins was throwing around USDA wetland compliance policies like it supported his argument that flooding was manipulation. That regulation never references flooding, and has nothing to do with what he is arguing.
But try explaining that to him. He doesn't want to hear it.
When someone can lay out logical arguments, I'll listen. But having paid attention to more than just waterfowl all my life, it's not just waterfowl migrations changing. Nature is changing as a whole.
And no one can argue that such large-scale changes are due to flooded corn.
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Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:37 pm to White Bear
Last 30 years of trending data, we will never see a great November again short of opening weeked. Sure there is gonna be a few spots that the masses will point at and exclaim that it’s good and we need to scout more, yada yada. But the overall consensus moving forward will be crappy November after the opener. Fingers crossed for a cold spell before the second split opener and pray for a polar vortex before the last weekend of the year. First weekend in February they will be here. Just like they have for about 20 years now.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:47 pm to Houdini
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First weekend in February they will be here. Just like they have for about 20 years now.
This comment always makes me think of The Ten Commandments of Duck Hunting when Jace is talking about all of his buddies that claim the ducks are just showing up after the season ends.
His remark was that they weren't just showing up. It was simply them not being pressured anymore.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:51 pm to Cowboyfan89
Well I believe you lost credibility when you referenced Jace and then only one post before you exclaimed your a biologist. I can’t make this up. And out of curiosity did you earn that degree from McNeese? My Mother taught Biology and Environmental classes there for sometime
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:57 pm to Houdini
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Well I believe you lost credibility when you referenced Jace and then only one post before you exclaimed your a biologist.
Didn't say I agreed with him. Just pointing out a comment from someone belonging to one of the most famous duck hunting families in Louisiana. I just find that comment funny, that's all.
Not that I am at all concerned with what someone on an internet chat forum thinks of my credibility as a biologist.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 8:22 pm to Houdini
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Actually weather should have little impact on the major migration. Before 1980’s it didn’t. Birds were here in November with photo period movement
How many acres of no-till farming was there before 1980
How many acres of Rice did Missouri and NE Ark grow then?
How many refuges did Missouri have in 1980?
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:07 pm to Midtiger farm
By 1990, no till planting practices were being used on approximately 6% of the farmland in America. That number rose to 22% by 2004, and 35% by 2016.
You can thank new herbicides and crop varieties for that.
You can thank new herbicides and crop varieties for that.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:20 pm to Cowboyfan89
If only complex problems could be cured by simple solutions. Is flooded corn the only cause? I doubt it. No-till farming, mild weather, the proliferation of state and Federal refuges, flooded corn, invasive aquatic plants, sugar cane expansion, salt water intrusion/coastal land loss, mechanical decoys, and vastly increased pressure in Canada and northern states by nonresident hunters(me included) may have created a toxic gumbo of death blows to hunting as we knew it. Perhaps a total do-over of waterfowl regulations may be in order. All I know is something is broken and I am at a loss as to an answer. At least the FF is starting a discussion.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:35 pm to TheGhostOfBigLee
Judging by the amount of downvotes I see, your average TD poster is just as dumb as Goins
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:37 pm to Cowboyfan89
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try explaining that to him. He doesn't want to hear it.
He just blocks you if he thinks you're disagreeing or prove him wrong
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:50 pm to dwr353
quote:Starting and carrying on a conversation with his Facebook followers. Starting the discussion by mentioning a class action lawsuit against........who knows. It will be fun to watch.
At least the FF is starting a discussion.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 10:34 pm to White Bear
I agree, it takes at least two to have a discussion. All I know is, duck hunting is an integral part of life for many in La. It is not a hobby for many of us. It is something that is hard to put in words. Financially it is impossible to justify. At the same time the experience is priceless. I think we all want the best for the resource.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 10:41 pm to dwr353
Do we want what's best for the resource or best for Louisiana hunters?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:55 am to guesswho
The melt on this board if/when this guy and his organization get changes made to legislation is going to be glorious. I mean glorious!!! 
Posted on 1/31/19 at 4:06 am to dwr353
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If only complex problems could be cured by simple solutions. Is flooded corn the only cause? I doubt it. No-till farming, mild weather, the proliferation of state and Federal refuges, flooded corn, invasive aquatic plants, sugar cane expansion, salt water intrusion/coastal land loss, mechanical decoys, and vastly increased pressure in Canada and northern states by nonresident hunters(me included) may have created a toxic gumbo of death blows to hunting as we knew it. Perhaps a total do-over of waterfowl regulations may be in order. All I know is something is broken and I am at a loss as to an answer. At least the FF is starting a discussion.
But see, that's the problem...they started on about one issue when there are a myriade of factors, and then alienated a lot of people when they were banned for not blindly following Goins.
That's not how you accomplish anything. You can't just bludgeon people over the head, which is what Goins is trying to do. He's trying to bully his way into getting regulations changed.
What's worse is that anyone in the waterfowl field that could lend credence to his argument isn't going near this because he's alienating them too. Blasting Reynolds, DU, and Delta Waterfowl all the time is not very smart if you want to enact any real change. If he truly believes DU and Delta are part of the problem, then calling them out is a sure way to lose this. Their pockets are deeper, and when it comes down to it, that's likely all that will matter.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 6:35 am to TheGhostOfBigLee
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The comments on the Facebook post are grand. One ole boy is botching that it is illegal to hunt flooded land crops in Louisiana but not anywhere else.
The comments on the Facebook post are grand. One ole boy is botching that it is illegal to hunt flooded land crops in Louisiana but not anywhere else.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 6:36 am to Cowboyfan89
He's just trying to make another six figures a year. Look up what the head of DU and Delta make a year.... Goins is just looking for a paycheck. That's why nothing he says makes any sense. Ol baw is tired of being a hand.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:36 am to celltech1981
That is kinda true, sort of. You may not hunt over unharvested crops that have been manipulated. Now manipulated is up for interpretation of Mr Green Jeans.
Good Ole Green Jeans can write you up for hunting over a flooded 2nd crop of rice if he wants to. He could also let you skate and not enforce a gray area of the law.
I am in 100% agreement with FF stance that heated ponds, flooded corn and refuges that practice both are a major reason for poor numbers of ducks. But that is at most only a third of what’s happening. But it’s also likely the only current issue that can be changed. We can’t stop climate trends and we won’t stop more efficient farming practices.
Good Ole Green Jeans can write you up for hunting over a flooded 2nd crop of rice if he wants to. He could also let you skate and not enforce a gray area of the law.
I am in 100% agreement with FF stance that heated ponds, flooded corn and refuges that practice both are a major reason for poor numbers of ducks. But that is at most only a third of what’s happening. But it’s also likely the only current issue that can be changed. We can’t stop climate trends and we won’t stop more efficient farming practices.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:46 am to chew4219
If you want the rest of the duck hunting community to agree with your opinions you have to provide factual information. Otherwise you and the rest of FFL are just a bunch of rambling idiots. Give us the names of the refuges and the examples of heated ponds and maybe we will believe you. Until then, still a bunch of rambling morons.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:49 am to chew4219
I went to school with Goins a little while, him being loud and argumentative is no big surprise to me!
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