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Ole Josh Goins and FFL Made It Bigtime...
Posted on 1/30/19 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 1/30/19 at 3:15 pm
This baw made the headliner article on LA Sportsman
Flyway Federation: ‘Hot-cropping’ a big reason for poor Louisiana duck seasons
Josh Goins founded the Flyway Federation in 2018 to bring about change in the flyways and get more birds down to Louisiana.
New organization working to bring about change in the flyways
By most accounts, Louisiana waterfowl hunters just wrapped up yet another disappointing duck season— and Josh Goins thinks he knows why
The 38-year-old Deridder native founded the Flyway Federation in 2018, which got its start innocently enough after he posted a comment on LouisianaSportsman.com’s waterfowl section last January.
“I was trying to find out what was going on, and if everyone was having as bad a year hunting as I was,” said Goins, who lives in Dequincy. “I saw all the young guys arguing over things I knew wasn’t the problem. So I laid out facts for them, and I think there were 32,000 views with almost 2,000 comments …
“I could see no one was going to step up and do anything, so I said, ‘You know what? I’m going to create it.’”
The Flyway Federation, a 501(c) non-profit, was born — and now has more than 8,000 Facebook followers from multiple states, including Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Idaho, California and more – even reaching into Canada.
In a nutshell, Goins believes the duck migration game has changed because a loophole in the Migratory Bird Treaty Reform Act in 1998 now allows some farmers in northern states to legally attract and hold birds by flooding fields of unharvested corn, a practice known as ‘hot-cropping.’
“The issue facing us is we’re at the bottom of the Flyway, and you have people that are manipulating the law in northern states by concentrating birds,” he said. “They commercialized conservation programs in 1998 … and that’s when every Tom, Dick and Harry up the Flyway became a farmer.
Most Louisiana duck hunters didn’t exactly have a banner season in 2018-19, and according to Josh Goins, at least part of the reason is a change in agricultural practices in the northern part of the flyways that concentrate birds and keep ducks from migrating south until after the season is over.
Most Louisiana duck hunters didn’t exactly have a banner season in 2018-19, and according to Josh Goins, at least part of the reason is a change in agricultural practices in the northern part of the flyways that concentrate birds and keep ducks from migrating south until after the season is over.
“But they’re just farming for ducks. They grow a cornfield with no intent to harvest it, then flood it, which is not a normal agricultural practice. It’s strictly for duck hunting. Some are actually getting paid through CRP, WRP and other conservation programs. Some have even made insurance claims on the crops, and all that is funded by United States taxpayer dollars.
“So we’re actually paying for what’s killing our hunting. The more land they farm for ducks, the less ducks we get here.”
Goins said just 1 acre of unharvested corn can create about 200 bushels, or 10- to 13,000 pounds, of corn kernels. Many farmers in the upper-Flyway grow dwarf corn, which he said only grows about 3 feet high and features very symmetrical ear growth.
“They flood the fields to the ears, and whenever they start to run out of corn on those ears, they flood it to the next set of ears,” Goins explained. “The ducks never run out of food, and they never run out of water because they’re keeping the water open utilizing the pumps the federal government provided for the conservation programs to keep the water circulating.
“So the birds have no reason to migrate. The only reason for a migration is a lack of food source, or snow and ice — that’s when they move.”
Goins, who recently traveled up to Arkansas for meetings and a hunt with members of that state’s Game and Fish Commission, is planning meetings with Louisiana’s congressional delegation to discuss the possibilities of federal legislation to remedy the issue. He’s also been in contact with Attorney General Jeff Landry’s office to explore a different kind of relief.
“The only way to fix this is to file a class action lawsuit over the loss of the natural resource and manipulation of the law though our Attorney General,” said Goins, who works nationwide on water systems for refineries and chemical plants. “Because we can prove both of those things: That we’ve had a loss of the natural resource, and there was manipulation of the law due to the Cooperative Extension Services controlling a federally protected bird at the state level.”
And from his perspective, organizations like Ducks Unlimited and Delta Waterfowl are part of the current problem.
“I do not support them as of right now. I’m not saying I’ll never support them again, because they did good things in the past, but right now I don’t support them — and until they see and recognize that we actually have a problem that’s going to end up hurting this sport and hurting North American waterfowl, that’s my stance,” said Goins, who described himself as just a country boy from Deridder who’s come along and is raising hell. “They need to quit using all the excuses — global warming to hunting pressure to mud motors — and support what the real problem is and quit looking at the money.”
Flyway Federation: ‘Hot-cropping’ a big reason for poor Louisiana duck seasons
Josh Goins founded the Flyway Federation in 2018 to bring about change in the flyways and get more birds down to Louisiana.
New organization working to bring about change in the flyways
By most accounts, Louisiana waterfowl hunters just wrapped up yet another disappointing duck season— and Josh Goins thinks he knows why
The 38-year-old Deridder native founded the Flyway Federation in 2018, which got its start innocently enough after he posted a comment on LouisianaSportsman.com’s waterfowl section last January.
“I was trying to find out what was going on, and if everyone was having as bad a year hunting as I was,” said Goins, who lives in Dequincy. “I saw all the young guys arguing over things I knew wasn’t the problem. So I laid out facts for them, and I think there were 32,000 views with almost 2,000 comments …
“I could see no one was going to step up and do anything, so I said, ‘You know what? I’m going to create it.’”
The Flyway Federation, a 501(c) non-profit, was born — and now has more than 8,000 Facebook followers from multiple states, including Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Idaho, California and more – even reaching into Canada.
In a nutshell, Goins believes the duck migration game has changed because a loophole in the Migratory Bird Treaty Reform Act in 1998 now allows some farmers in northern states to legally attract and hold birds by flooding fields of unharvested corn, a practice known as ‘hot-cropping.’
“The issue facing us is we’re at the bottom of the Flyway, and you have people that are manipulating the law in northern states by concentrating birds,” he said. “They commercialized conservation programs in 1998 … and that’s when every Tom, Dick and Harry up the Flyway became a farmer.
Most Louisiana duck hunters didn’t exactly have a banner season in 2018-19, and according to Josh Goins, at least part of the reason is a change in agricultural practices in the northern part of the flyways that concentrate birds and keep ducks from migrating south until after the season is over.
Most Louisiana duck hunters didn’t exactly have a banner season in 2018-19, and according to Josh Goins, at least part of the reason is a change in agricultural practices in the northern part of the flyways that concentrate birds and keep ducks from migrating south until after the season is over.
“But they’re just farming for ducks. They grow a cornfield with no intent to harvest it, then flood it, which is not a normal agricultural practice. It’s strictly for duck hunting. Some are actually getting paid through CRP, WRP and other conservation programs. Some have even made insurance claims on the crops, and all that is funded by United States taxpayer dollars.
“So we’re actually paying for what’s killing our hunting. The more land they farm for ducks, the less ducks we get here.”
Goins said just 1 acre of unharvested corn can create about 200 bushels, or 10- to 13,000 pounds, of corn kernels. Many farmers in the upper-Flyway grow dwarf corn, which he said only grows about 3 feet high and features very symmetrical ear growth.
“They flood the fields to the ears, and whenever they start to run out of corn on those ears, they flood it to the next set of ears,” Goins explained. “The ducks never run out of food, and they never run out of water because they’re keeping the water open utilizing the pumps the federal government provided for the conservation programs to keep the water circulating.
“So the birds have no reason to migrate. The only reason for a migration is a lack of food source, or snow and ice — that’s when they move.”
Goins, who recently traveled up to Arkansas for meetings and a hunt with members of that state’s Game and Fish Commission, is planning meetings with Louisiana’s congressional delegation to discuss the possibilities of federal legislation to remedy the issue. He’s also been in contact with Attorney General Jeff Landry’s office to explore a different kind of relief.
“The only way to fix this is to file a class action lawsuit over the loss of the natural resource and manipulation of the law though our Attorney General,” said Goins, who works nationwide on water systems for refineries and chemical plants. “Because we can prove both of those things: That we’ve had a loss of the natural resource, and there was manipulation of the law due to the Cooperative Extension Services controlling a federally protected bird at the state level.”
And from his perspective, organizations like Ducks Unlimited and Delta Waterfowl are part of the current problem.
“I do not support them as of right now. I’m not saying I’ll never support them again, because they did good things in the past, but right now I don’t support them — and until they see and recognize that we actually have a problem that’s going to end up hurting this sport and hurting North American waterfowl, that’s my stance,” said Goins, who described himself as just a country boy from Deridder who’s come along and is raising hell. “They need to quit using all the excuses — global warming to hunting pressure to mud motors — and support what the real problem is and quit looking at the money.”
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 1/30/19 at 3:22 pm to TheGhostOfBigLee
Opened thinking this was about a 4473 form.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 3:43 pm to TheGhostOfBigLee
Gots me a new term "Hot Croppin"
Leave it to LAS to keep this kook in the spotlight and increase his 15 min of fame.
"I said self, you need to do sumthin, an i did"
Leave it to LAS to keep this kook in the spotlight and increase his 15 min of fame.
"I said self, you need to do sumthin, an i did"
Posted on 1/30/19 at 3:48 pm to TheGhostOfBigLee
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“The only way to fix this is to file a class action lawsuit over the loss of the natural resource and manipulation of the law though our Attorney General,” said Goins, who works nationwide on water systems for refineries and chemical plants. “Because we can prove both of those things: That we’ve had a loss of the natural resource, and there was manipulation of the law due to the Cooperative Extension Services controlling a federally protected bird at the state level.”
Good God. That's about the most idiotic thing I've ever read. I hope nobody is dumb enough to make a donation to this group.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 3:54 pm to TheCurmudgeon
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I hope nobody is dumb enough to make a donation to this group.
LA Sportsman is dumb enough to print it. But we all know the intelligence level of their average internet reader.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 4:01 pm to TheCurmudgeon
quote:how happy will people be when their second crop rice can't be flooded and hunted or the folks in la that plant crops floodnhunt too...
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“The only way to fix this is to file a class action lawsuit over the loss of the natural resource and manipulation of the law though our Attorney General,” said Goins, who works nationwide on water systems for refineries and chemical plants. “Because we can prove both of those things: That we’ve had a loss of the natural resource, and there was manipulation of the law due to the Cooperative Extension Services controlling a federally protected bird at the state level.”
Good God. That's about the most idiotic thing I've ever read. I hope nobody is dumb enough to make a donation to this group.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 4:28 pm to KemoSabe65
At least he has an idea as to how to get ducks back down here. The rest of this group just like to moan and complain about there being no ducks.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 4:32 pm to TheGhostOfBigLee
TL;DR
Idiots. They are just fortunate that this was a terrible season.
Please, sweet little Baby Jesus, let there be snow and ice covering the midwest next November. Please let it be raining ducks to prove these idiots wrong.
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Josh Goins and FFL
Idiots. They are just fortunate that this was a terrible season.
Please, sweet little Baby Jesus, let there be snow and ice covering the midwest next November. Please let it be raining ducks to prove these idiots wrong.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 4:35 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:1. normal agricultural practice
how happy will people be when their second crop rice can't be flooded
2. Almost always gets harvested prior to hunting, unless it is crawfished in which case the hunting in that field is shitty regardless unless you like fishy divers
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 1/30/19 at 4:47 pm to Cowboyfan89
Argument looks good for them this year (with the bum winter, of course). This time last year, most were coming off a strong season (due to solid winter), but HE was not, thus started raising hell.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:48 pm to TheGhostOfBigLee
What, specifically, is the loophole referenced? And, what specifically was the result of the loophole? These questions to anyone that can answer.
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:55 pm to TheCurmudgeon
I was a skeptic also. I have since learned that some of the claims advanced by the FF have some merit to them. Factors such as no-till farming and the weather are beyond our control. The practice of flooding standing corn on private land, state managed areas, and Federal Refuges is having an effect. Hunters from northern states are now questioning the results. Canada has pending regulation proposals to prohibit the now legal manipulation. The issue needs to be looked at. I do not wish to see duck hunting go the way of The Canada Goose migration.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:03 pm to White Bear
To my understanding, The Migratory Treaty was amended/reinterpreted in 1998 to loosen baiting/manipulation rules for standing crops. The practice has been widely expanded and is being used by public and private interests to hold birds.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:10 pm to dwr353
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The practice of flooding standing corn on private land, state managed areas, and Federal Refuges is having an effect.
Based on what? That's why I'm skeptical of what they are selling, because they ignore the effects of the weather and no-till in favor of information that supports their argument, and don't post much supporting their argument, except for Facebook posts and videos. The abundance of refuge areas up north has just as much effect as the corn in my opinion. A duck has no reason to move from a place that he has food, water, and is not being shot at. It happens down here as well.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:28 pm to Cowboyfan89
I agree with you as far as refuges go. Please keep an open mind and consider possible reasons. Something is changing traditional wintering areas. I do not claim to know why, but I have seen the results having hunted Pecan Island since 1972.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:57 pm to dwr353
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Please keep an open mind and consider possible reasons.
This is the exact reason we laugh at them here. They acted as if no others factors exist. If you tried to have a logical argument with them, they would bash you and ban you. I think they finally calmed down a bit but they pushed a lot of people away with the way they acted in the beginning.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:00 pm to Cowboyfan89
Actually weather should have little impact on the major migration. Before 1980’s it didn’t. Birds were here in November with photo period movement. We have lost that generation of hunters and now believe waterfowl migrate on weather and food source limitations as that weather gets worse. Well sorry but that’s just not the natural process. When you hold crop, flood it, keep in from freezing and then create 10 of thousands of rest acres from the prairie pot hole region south to the mason Dixon line. You have essentially moved the animal off of the photo migration and taught them to move the only the bare minimum according to weather and food. Pavlov’s dog is the epitome of this argument. And we are recreating that education on a grander scale.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:04 pm to dwr353
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My question is answered in the last paragraph of the attached doc. Therefore, I do not understand what FFL's argument is based upon. The practice of hunting unmanipulated standing crops and food plots was ALREADY LEGAL PRIOR TO 1998, and remains legal. Please answer my question, FFL Grand Klegal (not directed at you dwr353)
quote:USFWS Treaty Amendments
To my understanding, The Migratory Treaty was amended/reinterpreted in 1998 to loosen baiting/manipulation rules for standing crops. The practice has been widely expanded and is being used by public and private interests to hold birds.
My question is answered in the last paragraph of the attached doc. Therefore, I do not understand what FFL's argument is based upon. The practice of hunting unmanipulated standing crops and food plots was ALREADY LEGAL PRIOR TO 1998, and remains legal. Please answer my question, FFL Grand Klegal (not directed at you dwr353)
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:12 pm to PawnMaster
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Opened thinking this was about a 4473 form.
HaHa!! Me too. So I after I finished reading the entire article I still wonder what the FFL is.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:27 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:. Me too, but primarily because I want to see FFL use the "normal migration" as a membership and donation drive. Caint fkn wait.
Please, sweet little Baby Jesus, let there be snow and ice covering the midwest next November. Please let it be raining ducks to prove these idiots wrong.
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