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Non-Resident Elk/Big Game Hunting Questions
Posted on 9/17/21 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 9/17/21 at 8:34 pm
I've looked through several threads, and haven't been able to find the answers I'm looking for. My little brother has been talking about elk hunting for a long time now, and it's something we've always wanted to do. So I'd like to take him on an Elk hunt within the next couple years or less. Now, neither of us have gone on an Elk hunt before. And we haven't hunted much outside of Louisiana and Mississippi.
Everything that I've read and seen talks about drawing a tag through the lottery. So, my first question. Is there any states that we can get over the counter tags, or something that guarantees a tag sooner rather than later?
Should we do a guided hunt or just hunt public land without a guide?
Anything that you guys can offer in advice or info would be great. I plan to do a lot more Big Game hunting out west.
This is my first time starting a topic so sorry if it looks like shite.
Everything that I've read and seen talks about drawing a tag through the lottery. So, my first question. Is there any states that we can get over the counter tags, or something that guarantees a tag sooner rather than later?
Should we do a guided hunt or just hunt public land without a guide?
Anything that you guys can offer in advice or info would be great. I plan to do a lot more Big Game hunting out west.
This is my first time starting a topic so sorry if it looks like shite.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 8:59 pm to Conman23
This is an extremely broad question. You are going to have to get online and research like everyone else. Yes there are over the counter hunts, but they are not simple and are far, far from guaranteed. Western style hunting is completely different than corn pile hunting.
I’d recommend starting with Randy Newberg’s elk hunting YouTube and podcasts. They are the dead level best for beginner information.
I’d recommend starting with Randy Newberg’s elk hunting YouTube and podcasts. They are the dead level best for beginner information.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 9:23 pm to Conman23
quote:Colorado has OTC tags where you can hunt with 1,000,000 of your closest friends
Is there any states that we can get over the counter tags, or something that guarantees a tag sooner rather than later?
Best bet to simply get in the field.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:06 pm to jimbeam
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Colorado has OTC tags
and lots of public land to hunt.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:35 pm to Kashmir
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and lots of public land to hunt.
Not sure if this comment is factitious
Diy public land hunts suck in Colorado
Posted on 9/18/21 at 7:31 am to Conman23
Colorado has OTC tags but lots of pressure
Wyoming is draw only but has tags you can draw with 0-2 points
New Mexico is only random draw. No Points.
If you are serious about it, join GoHunt Insider (usually has a 30 day trial) and dive into the different units and draw odds. You absolutely can hunt elk next season if you wanted to. Hell you can go this year
Wyoming is draw only but has tags you can draw with 0-2 points
New Mexico is only random draw. No Points.
If you are serious about it, join GoHunt Insider (usually has a 30 day trial) and dive into the different units and draw odds. You absolutely can hunt elk next season if you wanted to. Hell you can go this year
This post was edited on 9/18/21 at 7:34 am
Posted on 9/18/21 at 8:11 am to Conman23
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Should we do a guided hunt or just hunt public land without a guide?
If you have the means. Going with a guide is a great way to start. You can pick up some skills and tips.
It’s a blast but there’s a solid learning curve
Posted on 9/18/21 at 8:16 am to Conman23
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hould we do a guided hunt or just hunt public land without a guide
Get a guide if you can afford it. There's a really steep learning curve, especially if you're not well versed on mountains and camping etc etc
Posted on 9/18/21 at 8:56 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Idaho and New Mexico do not have preference points. It’s pretty complicated and you have to understand how each state works. A lot of states offer some portion of tags to lottery meaning that even if you don’t have preference points, there’s a chance you draw it. Each state spells out what percentage goes to residents, non residents, outfitters, point holders, and lottery.
Randy Newberg has a series called “hunt elk every year” and he goes through a plan to have opportunities each year. My recommendation is to apply a bunch and get a tag for anything, a mule deer, a cow, whatever, and go.
Randy Newberg has a series called “hunt elk every year” and he goes through a plan to have opportunities each year. My recommendation is to apply a bunch and get a tag for anything, a mule deer, a cow, whatever, and go.
Posted on 9/18/21 at 4:56 pm to bigbuckdj
Idaho reduced nonresident tags by 75% in some units. It was impossible to get tags for a group this year. Their system crashed first day of purchases from too many people
Colorado is close, easy, you can get tags for multiple animals. I saw 35 hunters in the OTC unit I hunted. Saw 12 elk, had 2 in range.
Montana has tags but tougher dryer hills and less laid out trails vs Colorado. Also grizzlies to contend with.
I’d still get a guide though vs DIY. First year of DIY and learning, you will spend as much as you do on a guide anyway.
If this is a once a lifetime hunt, spend the money, go rifle and go guide on private land.
If you want to be Steve Rinelli, you will spend 4K on gear and 4K on license before you fill a tag on a DIY public land hunt.
Once you learn elk, you can kill elk. 90% of the elk killed on public land are taken by 10% of the hunters.
Good luck. Elk are Hell
Colorado is close, easy, you can get tags for multiple animals. I saw 35 hunters in the OTC unit I hunted. Saw 12 elk, had 2 in range.
Montana has tags but tougher dryer hills and less laid out trails vs Colorado. Also grizzlies to contend with.
I’d still get a guide though vs DIY. First year of DIY and learning, you will spend as much as you do on a guide anyway.
If this is a once a lifetime hunt, spend the money, go rifle and go guide on private land.
If you want to be Steve Rinelli, you will spend 4K on gear and 4K on license before you fill a tag on a DIY public land hunt.
Once you learn elk, you can kill elk. 90% of the elk killed on public land are taken by 10% of the hunters.
Good luck. Elk are Hell
Posted on 9/18/21 at 5:44 pm to Conman23
Montana has a draw, but you usually get a tag, plus they have left over cow tags, usually. And plenty of public land
Posted on 9/19/21 at 11:39 am to Conman23
I drew Montana elk this year. Heading up there in November.
Any OTC hunt is going to be shitty. Draws are fairly easy to come by, and once you have bonus points you get some good hunts. Start the process now
Any OTC hunt is going to be shitty. Draws are fairly easy to come by, and once you have bonus points you get some good hunts. Start the process now
Posted on 9/19/21 at 11:42 am to jimjackandjose
Everything he said is correct. If you are only doing this once, get a guide.
I plan to do this every year, so I dropped some money on gear instead of a guide.
I plan to do this every year, so I dropped some money on gear instead of a guide.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 12:05 pm to SulphursFinest
quote:This is not true. May not be easy but it won't be shitty
Any OTC hunt is going to be shitty
Posted on 9/19/21 at 12:22 pm to mylsuhat
OTC is where you want to go if you want to see thousands of hunters stomping through the mountains in the same area.
There is a reason Colorado’s harvest percentage is so low
Get a draw in a good GMU in Colorado and go from there.
There is a reason Colorado’s harvest percentage is so low
Get a draw in a good GMU in Colorado and go from there.
This post was edited on 9/19/21 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 9/19/21 at 12:47 pm to SulphursFinest
Dude, I've done both. Yes OTC is harder but if you work harder you can get into elk
Posted on 9/19/21 at 1:00 pm to mylsuhat
I agree. All I’m saying is OTC is significantly more congested with other hunters.
How has your success been with either?
How has your success been with either?
Posted on 9/19/21 at 3:06 pm to SulphursFinest
There’s a couple decently affordable private hunts in southern Co that are OTC. But I’ll say they can be hit it miss. We’ve hunted the Trinidad area a few times now and only 1 of the 4 times were elk plentiful, other times it was very hard hunting. Private hunts in that area can be done under 5k.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 3:32 pm to gsvar2004
That’s not bad for a private hunt, just depends what kind of money someone wants to spend. My Montana tag was $225 plus gas to drive there, so pretty cheap. We will see how it goes
Posted on 9/19/21 at 3:37 pm to gsvar2004
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other times it was very hard hunting
As in you had to walk a little bit but there were still elk? Or as in there were no elk anywhere? 5k for a bull?
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