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re: My parents just saw a Red Wolf near Elliot, MS.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 7:08 am to mack the knife
Posted on 9/8/17 at 7:08 am to mack the knife
Yeah man, sorry that is 100% a coyote and not nearly as big as some of the dogs I have seen in Nodak.
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 7:09 am to Lord_Ford
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This environmental scientist agrees with the biologist. 100% a coyote in those trail cam pictures
Not disagreeing, but what are the tell tale signs giving it away that it's NOT a red wolf?
Posted on 9/8/17 at 7:24 am to baldona
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what are the tell tale signs giving it away that it's NOT a red wolf?
same question i was going to ask.
Lord_Ford: btw, i graduated in enviro science also. where'd you graduate from?
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 7:25 am
Posted on 9/8/17 at 7:27 am to mack the knife
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i graduated in enviro science also. where'd you graduate from?
LSU, although I think my degree was technically NREM? Natural Resource Ecology & Management
Posted on 9/8/17 at 7:28 am to jimjackandjose
Side note, there is a pretty cool Red Wolf rescue in Sewee, SC you can visit.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 7:31 am to Lord_Ford
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LSU, although I think my degree was technically NREM? Natural Resource Ecology & Management
same here, but NREM wasn't available till after i graduated. we probably had some of the same professors/instructors.
i managed to pick up a double minor in chemistry and agronomy along the way.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 7:36 am to mack the knife
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double minor in chemistry and agronomy along the way.
Very nice. I only managed a minor in Forestry. Had a hell of fun a time getting it though.
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had some of the same professors/instructors
No doubt. we could probably have a whole thread on this topic lol
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 7:37 am
Posted on 9/8/17 at 8:07 am to VaBamaMan
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My parents just saw a Red Wolf near Elliot, MS.
They saw an Irish Setter
Posted on 9/8/17 at 8:24 am to baldona
Man, we have a lot of biologists here! Can I be a part of ya'lls black panther party (wildlife management degree from McNeese)? Lol!
First thing to me is behavioral. Wolves are pack animals. They are rarely seen solo, especially when compared to Coyotes, that are often seen solo and will only hunt in packs at certain times of the year. Think of how many times you see a solo coyote.
Second is range and known occurrences. To my knowledge, there are no wolves in Oklahoma, and the likelihood of this being a red wolf is even slimmer. The last sightings of wild red wolves were in southwest Louisiana/southeast Texas, and I believe those were actually captured and relocated to North Carolina.
Anatomically, it's a bit trickier when it's just one animal, because you can't necessarily go on size, but the snout is generally longer and narrower on a coyote. The nose pad is also slightly smaller. A coyote in Oklahoma would look and most likely be larger than one in Louisiana. I would think anyone who has gone through a wildlife biology course of work would know Bergmann's Rule.
ETA: Historically, there has been much debate over whether the coyote and red wolf should even be considered seperate species. The amount of crossing that occurred had a lot to do with the decline in the red wolf population. Whether there is a true red wolf left is debatable, and I believe it is generally agreed upon that the two evolved from the same ancestor, likely as two distinct, geographically seperated species, as the coyote was historically a western species, and the red wolf a distinctly southeastern species.
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Not disagreeing, but what are the tell tale signs giving it away that it's NOT a red wolf?
First thing to me is behavioral. Wolves are pack animals. They are rarely seen solo, especially when compared to Coyotes, that are often seen solo and will only hunt in packs at certain times of the year. Think of how many times you see a solo coyote.
Second is range and known occurrences. To my knowledge, there are no wolves in Oklahoma, and the likelihood of this being a red wolf is even slimmer. The last sightings of wild red wolves were in southwest Louisiana/southeast Texas, and I believe those were actually captured and relocated to North Carolina.
Anatomically, it's a bit trickier when it's just one animal, because you can't necessarily go on size, but the snout is generally longer and narrower on a coyote. The nose pad is also slightly smaller. A coyote in Oklahoma would look and most likely be larger than one in Louisiana. I would think anyone who has gone through a wildlife biology course of work would know Bergmann's Rule.
ETA: Historically, there has been much debate over whether the coyote and red wolf should even be considered seperate species. The amount of crossing that occurred had a lot to do with the decline in the red wolf population. Whether there is a true red wolf left is debatable, and I believe it is generally agreed upon that the two evolved from the same ancestor, likely as two distinct, geographically seperated species, as the coyote was historically a western species, and the red wolf a distinctly southeastern species.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 8:32 am
Posted on 9/8/17 at 8:34 am to VaBamaMan
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Almost hunted to the brink of extinction, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service rounded up fewer than 20 red wolves to be bred in captivity in 1980. As of 2007, approximately 207 captive red wolves reside at 38 captive breeding facilities across the United States. However, fewer than 45 red wolves currently live in the wild.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 8:37 am to pointdog33
Yeah, in North Carolina on Alligator River NWR.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 8:39 am to Cowboyfan89
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and I believe it is generally agreed upon that the two evolved from the same ancestor
are not all canids thought to be evolved from a common ancestor?
Posted on 9/8/17 at 8:40 am to baldona
There's just something about the wolf face vs coyote that I just can type out,
Posted on 9/8/17 at 8:43 am to AlxTgr
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AlxTgr
look at the eye positioning and ear placement
Posted on 9/8/17 at 8:48 am to mack the knife
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are not all canids thought to be evolved from a common ancestor?
Yes, but due to the similarities between red wolves and coyotes, and the commonalities in their genetic makeup, it is believed by some that they evolved from an even more recent ancestor than the one that all canines come from. There is also another camp, supported by more recent genetic testing that suggests the red wolf (and the eastern wolf) is merely a hybrid between gray wolves and coyotes.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 8:49 am to mack the knife
Yes.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:16 am to VaBamaMan
...I'm not entirely sure where Centreville is. But I offer this.
The guy I bought my livestock guardian dog from, lives in yazoo city.
He had two females he was using to keep coyotes away about 10 years ago. One turned up pregnant. She has puppies, and all of them ended up even larger than she was (great Pyrenees). They were also all nearly black and pretty obviously wolf dogs.
He kept the largest male and ended up breeding him with a large Kangal female. I got a puppy off of the litter.
I've been around wolf dogs and coy dogs my entire life. I even had a near 100% hybrid when I was a kid. I, and the genetic test I did on him, can guarantee that his grandpa was a wolf.
Take that for what it's worth. Maybe a high content hybrid got out, maybe not. But my current dog is over 20% according to their dumb little test.
The eyes alone tell you that much.
The guy I bought my livestock guardian dog from, lives in yazoo city.
He had two females he was using to keep coyotes away about 10 years ago. One turned up pregnant. She has puppies, and all of them ended up even larger than she was (great Pyrenees). They were also all nearly black and pretty obviously wolf dogs.
He kept the largest male and ended up breeding him with a large Kangal female. I got a puppy off of the litter.
I've been around wolf dogs and coy dogs my entire life. I even had a near 100% hybrid when I was a kid. I, and the genetic test I did on him, can guarantee that his grandpa was a wolf.
Take that for what it's worth. Maybe a high content hybrid got out, maybe not. But my current dog is over 20% according to their dumb little test.
The eyes alone tell you that much.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 9:27 am
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:19 am to AlxTgr
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There's just something about the wolf face vs coyote that I just can type out,
It's the eyes. Coyote eyes look like a bored house cat.
Wolf eyes are intelligent and dangerous.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:21 am to X123F45
Yes, with people owning wolf hybrids, it much more likely something like that would be seen than a true red Wolf. I mean to the extent that Red Wolves are really a thing and not just nature making a dog from Wolves/Coyotes.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:25 am to AlxTgr
This is mine.
It may help explain my eyes comment.
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