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re: Mono leaders with braid: yea or nae?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 6:49 am to Nado Jenkins83
Posted on 5/27/20 at 6:49 am to Nado Jenkins83
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Straight flouro on bass gear and bait casters for both fresh and salt
I tried putting fluorocarbon on a reel and took it off the same day. Didn't like it one bit.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 8:20 am to LSUlefty
quote:Pretty much the worst outdoor product I have ever used.
I tried putting fluorocarbon on a reel and took it off the same day. Didn't like it one bit.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 8:24 am to NOLAGT
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One benefit I hope to see is with the casting of bobbers and less tangling....just a PIA.
Thats why I took the braid off. I love it for being able to run stronger line but it would always tangle up on my bait. Maybe ill go back to it and run mono or floro in the same strength to prevent the tangles....
Tangling isn't an issue for me and I'll cast bobber and eggs all day come Sep 1.
30 lb braid on all my spinning reels. 10-30 lb fluorocarbon leader depending on clarity and species.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 8:57 am to CharlesLSU
use braid to 30# mono on all inshore saltwater rigs
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:07 am to AlxTgr
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I tried putting fluorocarbon on a reel and took it off the same day. Didn't like it one bit.
Pretty much the worst outdoor product I have ever used.
The larger diameter fluoro (over 12lb) and anything mid range or lower in price is hell on a reel as the main line. I've used some of the higher end fluoros on spinning gear in 8lb test with no issue and 10-12lb on casting reels. Biggest issue is it is really only a one or two trip line. If it sits on the reel without being used for any length of time, it gets very difficult to manage.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:36 am to LSUlefty
I don't like it either, damned sure wouldn't spool it
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:45 am to The Last Coco
quote:I even tried 4. It's truly a terrible product. I am convinced it's being pushed due to higher profits. It certainly isn't because it's better than mono. The only thing it does well is sink.
I've used some of the higher end fluoros on spinning gear in 8lb test with no issue and 10-12lb on casting reels
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:51 am to AlxTgr
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quote:Fluorocarbon is more abrasion resistant than mono and it is far less visible.Nope
Certainly is. The "tests" that suggest otherwise are done with mono that is straight out of the box not line that is wet and has been exposed to sunlight. I promise you if they did the same test on mono that had been used for a day in the sun and fluorocarbon in the same shape the mono is more visible and far softer because it absorbs water where fluorocarbon does not. Mono also starts to degrade the minute it is exposed to ultraviolet light...fluorocarbon does not degrade due to sun light exposure....so that spool of mono leader sitting on the console is breaking down while the fluorocarbon is not....and it starts immediately. I have trolling reels that have nothing but mono on them. Fresh line, straight out of the box....and within a couple of hours in the Bahamas that line is coated with powder which is the nylon breaking down in the sun. Between the damage done by the sun and absorbing water the mono is far less abrasion resistant and far more visible. No, straight out of the box there isn't a lot of difference....but from the minute mono is exposed to the elements it begins to degrade and does so far quicker than fluorocarbon.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:00 am to AlxTgr
Anyone who claims it to be the end all be all of line is selling it, but for what it does well it does it better than braid or mono, namely getting optimum depth out of crankbaits and finesse bottom contact. The abrasion resistance and visibility are oversold IMO, but aren’t why I use it in the first place.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:37 am to Gtmodawg
quote:No, I am sorry, but it is not.
Certainly is
quote:This is false as well. I have had it happen multiple time.
fluorocarbon does not degrade due to sun light exposure
Pretty much everything people say and think about flouro is wrong, other than it sinks.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:42 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Anyone who claims it to be the end all be all of line is selling it, but for what it does well it does it better than braid or mono, namely getting optimum depth out of crankbaits and finesse bottom contact. The abrasion resistance and visibility are oversold IMO, but aren’t why I use it in the first place.
^^^This^^^, and fluoro has a shite ton of memory that requires me to respool it way too often. The bigger capacity spools, I'll use a lot of backing and memory isn't as bad as say on a 150-200yd spool.
I also use it for leaders to braid just to make it easier to break than fricking my rod up if I get hung, but also use mono. I personally haven't found much of a difference between a quality mono and fluoro leaders.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:59 am to AlxTgr
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This is false as well. I have had it happen multiple time. Pretty much everything people say and think about flouro is wrong, other than it sinks.
The science supports this as does most people's experience...Fluorocarbon is FAR less subject to damage due to sunlight. Nylon starts breaking down immediately and never stops until it is no longer recognizable....Fluorocarbon lasts much longer. It also does not absorb water which also breaks down nylon quicker.
Mono also will not, in my experience, damage a prop hub. Fluorocarbon will and braid is DEADLY on prop hubs. Mono is far superior, in my opinion, for dragging baits either on the surface or below the surface or on a down rigger because it is far more forgiving when a big fish strikes....and if it gets wrapped around the prop all you gotta do is back down and it will go away....fluorocarbon not so much and braid not at all.
To each his own...I use mono almost exclusively because of the stretch....far more forgiving with big fish over 50 pounds....but I wouldn't tie a mono leader on a fly line in a trout stream on a dare.....they all have their places.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:08 am to Gtmodawg
quote:I am using stuff under 12lb for fish under 2 lbs
fish over 50 pounds
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:19 am to AlxTgr
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fish over 50 poundsI am using stuff under 12lb for fish under 2 lbs
Much larger room for error there than say using 30 pound stuff to catch fish at 70 pounds.....especially when the boat is moving in one direction at 15 MPH and the fish is moving in the opposite direction at 30 MPH!
I have quit using anything but mono for bass fishing and most inshore fishing because it just flat out works and does not take a rocket scientist to tie proper knots....but I recognize that finesse baits are not as strike sensitive on mono as they are on braid and fluorocarbon and setting the hook is a little harder on mono but at the end of the day I can respool regularly with mono....I do so about every 90 days with premium berkely or stren mono....and simply tie baits straight to the main line. Much simpler and has caused many a fish to find its way into a vat of hot peanut oil!
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:22 am to CharlesLSU
I love braid, but god help you if you get a backlash!
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:43 pm to AlxTgr
quote:I think I may have finally found an item you hate more than hobie
Pretty much the worst outdoor product I have ever used.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:44 pm to The Last Coco
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The larger diameter fluoro (over 12lb) and anything mid range or lower in price is hell on a reel as the main line. I've used some of the higher end fluoros on spinning gear in 8lb test with no issue and 10-12lb on casting reels. Biggest issue is it is really only a one or two trip line. If it sits on the reel without being used for any length of time, it gets very difficult to manage.
I got the itch to try something new at the end of last year so switched one of my baitcasters to fluoro from braid. Spooled with 20lb seaguar abrazx, went out into the yard to practice and had a lot of issues. Read up on it and a lot of people suggested using line conditioner so got some of the KVD stuff. Night and day difference. Line was much more manageable after that even after sitting between uses, and if I managed to bird nest it was usually because of operator error. Sucked having to buy something else on top of the already costly fluoro, but it did work.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:47 pm to Uncle JackD
quote:I can actually use flouro though.
I think I may have finally found an item you hate more than hobie
Posted on 5/27/20 at 1:11 pm to EagleEye99
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fluoro has a shite ton of memory that requires me to respool it way too often. The bigger capacity spools, I'll use a lot of backing and memory isn't as bad as say on a 150-200yd spool.
What I’ve found that works for me is spooling with braid and then tying long (20-30ft) flouro leaders if I want it there. That allows me to be flexible without having to respool the entire reel if I get into some heavier grass or the water is dirty, and don’t have to deal with the memory.
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