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Let's talk about medium to deep cranking for bass
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:50 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:50 am
This is the first year I've really gotten into fishing deeper water off the bank and I'm starting to pick up the tricks here and there. Since it got hot I've been mostly throwing a 3xd and dragging it to a drop off from about 8ft to 14ft. Fish seem to range around, sometimes positioned on the drop sometimes on the flat but it's random.
I like the 3xd but it drives me nuts that manufacturers assume a deeper diving crank needs to have a massive body. When I downsized from the 6xd to the 3xd my bites went up a lot, and size of fish didn't seem to suffer. Any of yall have any cranks you like in the 12-14ft range that aren't oversized?
I'm throwing a medium moderate rod and it tends to just piss me off more than anything. Probably gonna go back to a MH mod-fast soon. Anyone got a rod that they really like for getting distance on smaller cranks that isn't a bullwhip?
I like the 3xd but it drives me nuts that manufacturers assume a deeper diving crank needs to have a massive body. When I downsized from the 6xd to the 3xd my bites went up a lot, and size of fish didn't seem to suffer. Any of yall have any cranks you like in the 12-14ft range that aren't oversized?
I'm throwing a medium moderate rod and it tends to just piss me off more than anything. Probably gonna go back to a MH mod-fast soon. Anyone got a rod that they really like for getting distance on smaller cranks that isn't a bullwhip?
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 9:19 am to TheDrunkenTigah
bandit 300
Posted on 6/28/17 at 9:28 am to TheDrunkenTigah
The bandit 300 and strike king makes the series 5 and 6 cranks that have a smaller profile as well
Posted on 6/28/17 at 9:35 am to civiltiger07
I have a couple series 5's in my box but I found they didn't quite run as deep as advertised, I'll take a look at the bandits.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 9:49 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Anyone got a rod that they really like for getting distance on smaller cranks that isn't a bullwhip?
according to the "experts", that's kind of the point....get that smaller, lighter crank out further to let it get to digging depth before getting back to the boat. Plus, the moderate action helps not to rip the trebles out the mouth. I throw a med/mod st.croix glass rod. Love it.
On a separate note,
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fishing deeper water off the bank
where are you doing this? Not an exact spot, but area. I fish the Des Allemands/Bayou Black, etc type areas and feel like everything is 6' max depth. Am i attacking it wrong? Should i be off main bayous?
I just know this time of year the fish move to deeper water, but i feel like i'm beating the bank all the time
Posted on 6/28/17 at 9:50 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Bandit 200 and 300 if I want a smaller profile. The only thing I don't like about them is the smaller hooks. Make sure your rod tip is forgiving. I don't medium and deep crank a whole bunch, but I will be experimenting with hook upgrades on them next chance I get.
ETA: I use a 7' medium moderate Lew's rod. I definitely wouldn't want to go heavier.
ETA: I use a 7' medium moderate Lew's rod. I definitely wouldn't want to go heavier.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 9:57 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:01 am to Black
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according to the "experts", that's kind of the point....get that smaller, lighter crank out further to let it get to digging depth before getting back to the boat. Plus, the moderate action helps not to rip the trebles out the mouth. I throw a med/mod st.croix glass rod. Love it.
Yeah that's why I bought it, it just doesn't feel like it has enough backbone. Not very sensitive, always doubled over even with smaller cranks, so that it's tough to distinguish the bottom from a stump from a fish. Maybe I just need to get my hands on a couple more, this one is a falcon and I feel like it's actually lighter than a medium even though it's labelled as one.
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where are you doing this? Not an exact spot, but area. I fish the Des Allemands/Bayou Black, etc type areas and feel like everything is 6' max depth. Am i attacking it wrong? Should i be off main bayous?
I just know this time of year the fish move to deeper water, but i feel like i'm beating the bank all the time
I'm doing this in a private lake in MS currently, but I would hope it translates. This particular lake has an overpopulation of shad and the bass move off the bank in the summer except for an hour at daylight. I have always been a bank fisherman like most but I found that if I wanted to catch fish in this lake I had to adapt. It's been fun learning.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:03 am to TheDrunkenTigah
I like the bomber fat free shad, Rapala DT10 and DT14, and the Shad Rap deep cranks.
If you change out the hooks for 1 size larger wide bend trebles and use 10 lb or even 8 lb fluorocarbon which naturally sinks instead of larger diameter higher test naturally floating mono you can get your cranks a little deeper.
If you still want to get a crank deeper without increasing size you can consider adding weight. Storm lures makes little weighted stickers, you can drill a small hole and fill crank with super glue or a 2 part epoxy, or you can even add lead shot in a crank and re-seal with epoxy or silicone.
If you change out the hooks for 1 size larger wide bend trebles and use 10 lb or even 8 lb fluorocarbon which naturally sinks instead of larger diameter higher test naturally floating mono you can get your cranks a little deeper.
If you still want to get a crank deeper without increasing size you can consider adding weight. Storm lures makes little weighted stickers, you can drill a small hole and fill crank with super glue or a 2 part epoxy, or you can even add lead shot in a crank and re-seal with epoxy or silicone.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:03 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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it's actually lighter than a medium even though it's labelled as one.
Unfortunately there's no industry standard on rod power and action. I refuse to buy a rod online for that reason (unless I'm already familiar with it). I need to actually put it in my hand and get a feel for it.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:07 am to TheDrunkenTigah
They were originally designed for trolling for sacrapauperch, but the Arkie 350 Series Crankbait are smaller profile baits that dive to the same range as the Bandit 300 and Strike King 3XD. Reviews on them are pretty good in that they run true and catch fish.
Also helps that they cost less.
Also helps that they cost less.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:10 am to Bleeding purple
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If you change out the hooks for 1 size larger wide bend trebles and use 10 lb or even 8 lb fluorocarbon which naturally sinks instead of larger diameter higher test naturally floating mono you can get your cranks a little deeper.
I've been putting the triple grips on my strike king's one size up, and I've been really impressed with them. I typically throw 10lb fluoro, hope Alx isn't reading.
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If you still want to get a crank deeper without increasing size you can consider adding weight. Storm lures makes little weighted stickers, you can drill a small hole and fill crank with super glue or a 2 part epoxy, or you can even add lead shot in a crank and re-seal with epoxy or silicone.
I've been curious about this but had no idea how drilling into a crank and/or adding weight would work, I may do some tinkering leading up to this weekend.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:18 am to TheDrunkenTigah
go grab a few cheap cranks at walmart to experiment with. the bodies are all the same hollow plastic construction.
In the event you use any solid balsa baits, you can shave/sand/ add nail inserts for desired buoyancy and action.
In the event you use any solid balsa baits, you can shave/sand/ add nail inserts for desired buoyancy and action.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:19 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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I'm doing this in a private lake in MS currently,
If you figure out how to translate it, please help a brother out. As of now, I'll crank across a point where two canals intersect or i'll cast parallel to the bank on the drop off. But that drop off is only 2' or so at best.
I'm trying to learn, but have to take what i read on the internet with a grain of salt as fishing South LA is different from the Guntersvilles/Toledo Bends of the world
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 10:20 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:26 am to TheDrunkenTigah
I'm a big fan of the giant squarebills.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:28 am to Itismemc
That is one thing I rarely throw is a crankbait. I always choose a Carolina rig or a heavy jig.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:31 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Bandit 300 is a good choice. I use Mojo Glass for 6XD and larger cranks but for 300's I'd just get a 7' to 7'6" rod classified as "crankbait" with a parabolic taper. I use these and monoline. As far as sensitivity goes I generally don't feel the bite but rather just feel my rod load up and then the fish start pulling. The length will help you get the distance needed to get your bait down to the target depth.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:37 am to Black
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f you figure out how to translate it, please help a brother out. As of now, I'll crank across a point where two canals intersect or i'll cast parallel to the bank on the drop off. But that drop off is only 2' or so at best.
I'm trying to learn, but have to take what i read on the internet with a grain of salt as fishing South LA is different from the Guntersvilles/Toledo Bends of the world
You and me both man. I'm still learning about what kind of structure attracts fish when out deeper, and to me it seems pretty random but then again my electronics are pretty limited.
As a general rule I'm looking for flats, anywhere from 6-8ft, that then drops off to deeper water. Some areas that's a creek channel, some it just goes down to 15+ and stays that way for awhile. Then I experiment with throwing and dragging deeper to shallower and vice versa, and it varies day to day like anything else with fishing.
Those features may be tough to find in your typical spillway type bayous that tend to be shallow and flat, but in that case I would be on the lookout for stumps and such in as deep of water as you can find.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:46 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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That is one thing I rarely throw is a crankbait. I always choose a Carolina rig or a heavy jig.
I rarely throw a squarebill, but i'll throw the frick out of a lipless.
I still haven't had luck with jigs...just 0 confidence in it. I'll flip all day with it with no bites. I always hear they catch bigger fish, which i'm trying to do b/c going to the scales with 5lbs with 5 fish sucks
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I'm still learning about what kind of structure attracts fish when out deeper, and to me it seems pretty random but then again my electronics are pretty limited
Look up the books written by Buck Perry. He explains it really well when it comes to "structure".
he has a good explanation when it comes to
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flats
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:26 am to Black
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still haven't had luck with jigs...just 0 confidence in it. I'll flip all day with it with no bites
Took me a while to gain some confidence in them too. But once you set the hook on a nice pig using a jig, you'll be chasing that high for a while.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:32 am to Black
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I still haven't had luck with jigs...just 0 confidence in it. I'll flip all day with it with no bites. I always hear they catch bigger fish, which i'm trying to do b/c going to the scales with 5lbs with 5 fish sucks
That might be for another thread, but one thing that helped me build confidence was swimming a jig. I used to think swimjigs were a fad, now I always have one tied on. Pitch and flip it, but instead of giving up on the cast after that initial target zone, swim the jig slowly all the way back to the boat. You'll be surprised how many come crush it a few feet off where you thought they were. Once I caught a few fish like that I realized my lack of confidence in the jig was making me fish it too fast when I pitched, and put it down too soon. Now I catch them both pitching in cover and swimming, and I got my personal best a couple weeks ago this way.
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