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is there a standard depth for house slabs

Posted on 5/30/18 at 8:29 am
Posted by tigerinthebueche
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 8:29 am
or some type of minimum code requirement? And am I correct to assume that all the plumbing lines are under the concrete slab?
Posted by kengel2
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 8:35 am to
Yes, there are building codes for slabs.

All pipes should be under the slab and just poke through the slab. Sometimes pipe will be in the slab, but that should be accounted for by the engineers.

Is this residential or commercial?

You can Google the international residential code or international building codes for specifics.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 8:38 am
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 8:39 am to
Another thing to consider is if building in an area with soil subsidence issues like they have in parts of N.O. East and Kenner is to run hanging straps around the plumbing drain lines and allow the ends to be incorporated into the slab.

After pilings are driven, pipes are laid and the slab poured, after a while there could be subsidence that allows unstrapped pipes to sag and break.
Posted by SetTheMood
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 8:44 am to
Most residential concrete slabs are 4" thick with 24" - 30" beams/footings, depending on soil conditions. Your first floor sewer lines will typically run under/through the slab, along with any power/water lines that can't be routed through the walls/ceiling, (say a kitchen island with a sink/dish washer.)
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 8:45 am
Posted by kengel2
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 9:07 am to
He asked about pilings the other day. More than likely if there are pilings, I'd bet the pipes under the slab should have stainless steel hangers.

I'm using pipes as a general term for plumbing, electrical, and anything else.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 9:51 am to
Thanks for all the answers! I'm asking because I am trying to anchor my gun safe to the slab. I don't know where the plumbing runs in this house and WBR doesn't have copies of the original plans (imagine that). That said, I don't want to go drilling concrete anchors in the slab and bust a pipe.

What depth would you recommend I drill to in order to secure 4 small diameter concrete anchors that will hold the safe in place?


ETA the piling question was in regards to a home I saw being built on False River. I couldn't grasp why they were spacing them as they were. Figured someone here would know.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:03 am to
quote:

That said, I don't want to go drilling concrete anchors in the slab and bust a pipe.


This may be asking a lot of your slab guys, but if you have the safe and can get a pattern for the bolts needed to secure it to the slab, have them place them in the wet concrete when the slab is poured. That way they will be well incorporated in the concrete and offer the best hold, especially if the bolt heads are in the slab with just the threaded part above it.

If that is not an option and you have to do it yourself, drill about 3 inches into the slab and secure the threaded rods with epoxy to secure them or use some type heavy duty anchoring system. But definitely find out where your plumbing is before drilling just to be safe---pardon the pun.
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:12 am to
You don't drill through the slab with anchor bolts only into it.


Posted by JTM72
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Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:20 am to
quote:

I don't want to go drilling concrete anchors in the slab and bust a pipe


Typically no plumbing should be in the slab, should be underground. Electrical conduit is probably run just under the slab if any. You should be fine, just dont drill through the entire slab.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 12:21 pm to
How deep you going with them there bolts? And is your slab post tensioned?
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 1:50 pm to
I have no idea if its post tensioned. I'm just gonna drill far enough to get the little bolts to hold then bolt the safe down on them.
Posted by mack the knife
EBR
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 1:56 pm to
you should be fine. plumbing waste drain lines are not supposed to be in the general run of the slab (top 3.5" - 4").
to be extra careful, make sure you don't drill next to a known plumbing wall. a plumbing wall will either be 6" thick or have some type water service sticking out of it.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
33910 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

What depth would you recommend I drill to in order to secure 4 small diameter concrete anchors that will hold the safe in place?


How small? You can probably get away with 3" if you use a high strength adhesive.

ETA:
quote:

I'm just gonna drill far enough to get the little bolts to hold then bolt the safe down on them.

Is this like a desktop safe?
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 2:13 pm
Posted by Capital Cajun
Over Yonder
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

I have no idea if its post tensioned.


Does your slab edge have little round pockets that have been grouted in like the pic below?



If so, it’s post tension and I would be cautious drilling into the slab.

If not you should be OK drilling in some expansion anchors with 3” of embedment into the slab.

Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:39 pm to
can't say I've ever seen that on my slab. what happens if its post tensioned? does it break apart when you drill into it?
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 3:09 pm to
The tendons snap and will likely blow out the concrete.

ETA:

They make rebar scanners similar to stud finders. They usually start at a few hundred but it might be something a rental place carries.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 3:14 pm
Posted by JusTrollin
Member since Oct 2016
230 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 3:13 pm to
I've drilled and broken out a few post tension slabs. The tendons are anywhere from 1/2" to 7/8". You are not going to simply just drill through one with a concrete bit.

Also if you so happen to possible cut one from some other means it may pop out the slab a few inches on either end, not a major deal.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 3:14 pm
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 3:15 pm to
Makes sense.

I've only dealt with it in commercial applications and it can be pretty catastrophic.
Posted by Capital Cajun
Over Yonder
Member since Aug 2007
5525 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 3:50 pm to
If it’s post tension then there are cables run through the slab and they have been stressed really tight. If you drill through or damage a cable, they can pull up through a slab (not likely)or shoot out the side of the foundation(more likely).
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
30824 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 3:53 pm to
Ya, we worked in a building where one snapped. From what I was told this cable broke a bunch of concrete and flew out of the side of the building. Luckily, no one was hurt.
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