re: I found that bullet. It did not explode.

Yep KE= 1/2(M)(V)^2

Increase in velocity is king. A 150gr moving at 2700 fps <<<< 125 gr @ 3200 fps. I am a firm believer in ballistic tips and have had great success with 130gr winchester ballistic silver tips. Haven't lost a deer with them yet and have put a few shots in less than perfect places.

Massive bleeding doesn't really give it it's due.

Every artery going to an organ was suddenly wide open and flowing into the cavity because the heart and lungs were completely untouched and functional. I trailed a wounded deer that someone else shot with a heavier bullet that was shot in this same spot that wasn't found till the next day a mile or more away. I actually gutted that one and ate it. It was a nasty, nasty, nasty job lemme tell ya but the meat was fine so I felt kinda obligated since the guy gave up on it and had flown home the night before.

The difference in the guts for that deer, and I think that was a 180 grain PSP 30-06, and this one was night and day. That one was an almost identical shot to this and the guts were all mostly intact. It was like you'd shoved a broom handle through him. But he didn't bleed much where you could trail him. Neither did this one but this one was dead meat immediately.

That black hole is a tear from skinning it. The entry is actually about six inches to the left and up from that in the middle of that red part. Ain't nothing there but guts.

Nah it's lower on the deer than that.

Maybe this one will help. If you look closely you can see through the hole.

I'm convinced.

Pretty obvious that the trouble and misconception comes from people shooting what amounts to a varmit load, myself included. That's a perfect mushroom if I've ever seen one.

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270win is pushing 130 AB at around 3050

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I bought a box of Federal 140 gr AB's for my 270. Never got a chance to shoot them yet. I fugure it's the best of every world (on paper at least). Accuracy + violent expansion + weight retention. I think I'd rather lean towards more penetration than what the BT provides. How well do those BT's penetrate shoulder bones?

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How well do those BT's penetrate shoulder bones?

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Or hit a rib and skid down the side of the deer?

I am a punch thru guy I like a bullet that when it exits the other side it takes all the life out with it. I've made 2 bad shots like that this year and neither deer went more than 40 yds.

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Or hit a rib and skid down the side of the deer?

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I don't think anyone is using a .22

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How well do those BT's penetrate shoulder bones?

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BT+white tail shoulder bone=that white tail is DRT. Never had one not exit on a shoulder.

Probably pretty close, yes. As long as the jacket mushrooms properly. Before we used the BT's we used PSP's of the same weight and the ones I remember were similar damage to this.

My first deer was with a 125gr PSP clocking this speed and I hit it in almost this same spot but it was a crossing shot instead of angled like this one. That deer flopped over dead in his tracks but the bullet was right under the skin on the other side. We did weigh that one and it retained 85% of its weight. Same deal, gut soup.

Which leads me to believe this BT actually penetrates a little deeper because had this one crossed directly like that one, it would have blown out the other side.