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How will gubment require background checks on personal face to face sells?

Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:37 am
Posted by Uncle JackD
Member since Nov 2007
59561 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:37 am
Excuse my ignorance but how in the frick will this be possible? Half of my gun purchases are through classifieds like bayoushooter.
Posted by Crawdaddy
Slidell. The jewel of Louisiana
Member since Sep 2006
19243 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:39 am to
right now (in La.) you can sell to me and I can sell to you face to face no questions asked

Future may require going to an FFL to fill out paperwork like you would onlin
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32604 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:40 am to
Basically they "cant" make you do it.. But id you have a gun in your name you purchased this yr.. And then next year joe blow gets pulled over with that gun and its still in your name and no background check done you screwed
Posted by Uncle JackD
Member since Nov 2007
59561 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:41 am to
quote:

Basically they "cant" make you do it.. But id you have a gun in your name you purchased this yr.. And then next year joe blow gets pulled over with that gun and its still in your name and no background check done you screwed
Ah ok. That's kinda what I was thinking.
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32604 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:42 am to
But guns that were in your name previously i dont see how they can say when you sold it.. You could say you sold it 2 years ago "when it was legal". But guns purchased after the date will be the problem because of the paper trail
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
24209 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:42 am to
Something no one is talking about is that NCIS doesn't have the capability at the moment to add 40% workload to an already overloaded system. I was in Clarksburg 2 years ago and they were building 2 new buildings just to keep pace with what they had then.
I know the guys at ICJIS for DOJ are probably shitting their pants at the prospects of having another 7-8 million checks a month.
Posted by DrTyger
Covington
Member since Oct 2009
22325 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:43 am to
Exactly. How the hell can you even hope to enforce that? The whole goal of something like that would be to keep guns away from criminals right? Well the why would a criminal voluntarily submit to a background check when buying a gun? He'd have to be the stupidest criminal in the world. They'll just completely bypass the process like they do now.
Posted by El Josey Wales
Greater Geismar
Member since Nov 2007
22710 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:46 am to
If it is federal law to do background checks on face to face transfers and you sell to somebody without one and he turns out to be a jackbooted thug ATF agent doing a sting, you are going to prison.
Posted by Langston
Member since Nov 2010
7685 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:46 am to
All this gun leg would seem a little more sincere if it wasnt being handed out by the same guys responible for fast and furious. They dont seem to have a prob with criminal with guns, it us they dont like having them based on their record.
Posted by Langston
Member since Nov 2010
7685 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:47 am to
The FFL guys are loving this. They are promoting it hard like it will do some good because it will increase their income.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17876 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:50 am to
quote:

Future may require going to an FFL to fill out paperwork


I do not really have a problem with this, if that is all that is involved... worried that this will start a new wave of taxes and fees, and open the door for sales tax on private purchases
Posted by Uncle JackD
Member since Nov 2007
59561 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:50 am to
quote:

If it is federal law to do background checks on face to face transfers and you sell to somebody without one and he turns out to be a jackbooted thug ATF agent doing a sting, you are going to prison.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43031 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:50 am to
quote:

If it is federal law to do background checks on face to face transfers and you sell to somebody without one and he turns out to be a jackbooted thug ATF agent doing a sting, you are going to prison.
It was my understanding that in LA, face 2 face stuff didn't require a background check, just a bill of sale.

How the hell would anyone get a surprise present for their bday? If I were to get one from someone for my bday, I'd hope they knew me enough to know what I want.
Posted by Uncle JackD
Member since Nov 2007
59561 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:52 am to
quote:

It was my understanding that in LA, face 2 face stuff didn't require a background check, just a bill of sale.
LA purchases don't even require BOS, that's only for personal protection.

Eta: that's what I've always been told and practiced anyway
This post was edited on 1/17/13 at 9:52 am
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17876 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:53 am to
quote:

It was my understanding that in LA, face 2 face stuff didn't require a background check,


currently yes, but preparing for new laws

quote:


just a bill of sale


not required just recommended

quote:


How the hell would anyone get a surprise present for their bday? If I were to get one from someone for my bday, I'd hope they knew me enough to know what I want


huh?
This post was edited on 1/17/13 at 9:55 am
Posted by El Josey Wales
Greater Geismar
Member since Nov 2007
22710 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:59 am to
quote:

currently yes, but preparing for new laws


Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32604 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 9:59 am to
I dont sell guns so i dont care! If i buy one it stays with me
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17876 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 10:03 am to
quote:

I dont sell guns so i dont care! If i buy one it stays with me


me too, I have only sold one gun in my life and I would pay double to have it back now

and I have never bought a used gun

where this may affect a lot of people is guns acquired through inheritance
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43031 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 10:09 am to
quote:

I dont sell guns so i dont care! If i buy one it stays with me
This is how I would be if I had guns. I would let someone borrow them, but not sell them. I wouldnt buy a gun that wouldnt get use all of the time. They wouldnt be something that I was gonna give up.
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32604 posts
Posted on 1/17/13 at 10:12 am to
Yep i sold one gun back when i was 18 because it was a youth model 308 and i outgrew it and needed a deer hunting rifle.. So i sold it and bought a 270wsm..i also would pay double to have it back. The only other gun i sold was a browning home defense i won at a drawing.. I sold it because i didnt nee it and was saving for the benelli montefeltro for dove season. So the 2 guns i have sold were to buy 2 more
This post was edited on 1/17/13 at 10:13 am
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