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re: How bad are feral pigs in Louisiana?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:19 am to September 1948
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:19 am to September 1948
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Why haven't the game and fish people put bounties on them?
About 20 years ago I was camping on Cumberland Island (Georgia) and met a couple of pig hunters who were camping there too. It's a National Seashore, essentially a National Park; and a great place. It also has a big problem with the pigs tearing everything up. The National Park Service hired these two guys to kill as many pigs as they could. They expected to tally over 1,000 in a week. They were sniper buddies in the army.
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:12 am to kengel2
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They could be stopped.
Govt land they could let people hunt out of normal seasons.
Private land...well its private...so if they want hogs they can have them.
Not by hunting they can't. Even if you hunt day and night it's not feasible.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:27 am to AP83
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We've taken around 600
What do you do with all the meat?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:40 pm to NatalbanyTigerFan
we have some retired men that do the majority of our trapping and they gut every pig and hang in our cooler and they have a list of needy folks from the area that come get them. As far as the ones shot; people keep what they want and I dont really ask what they do with the rest!
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:21 pm to baldona
Outside Louisiana people don't understand what a camp is.
It can me a few pieces of old plywood or a million dollar mansion. I have a fish camp that all my friends from Georgia and Alabama call a fishing cabin.
It can me a few pieces of old plywood or a million dollar mansion. I have a fish camp that all my friends from Georgia and Alabama call a fishing cabin.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:25 pm to REB BEER
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For some reason their populations have really exploded and their range has greatly increased.
Good ole baws moving them around. I know an old feller who would trap them in the 80s and 90s and move them to areas without. He said he didnt know what he was doing
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:36 pm to Loup
The only and eventually agreed upon combatant will be poison. You’ll have to take the collateral damage with it, but it’ll be worth it. When it gets worse , there won’t be much of an option.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:52 am to HeadedToTheWoods
I was placing great hope on the use of poison-sodium nitrite, that is being tested by USDA but now I’m not so sure.It was developed and used in Australia with pretty good results.
Hogs are particularly sensitive to sodium nitrite and it doesn’t take a lot to kill them.But other wildlife can also be harmed by it so the use of a hopper with a lid that can be opened by hogs but not deer or raccoons has been developed.Problem is bears will be able to open it so that will require some other system.I read some guy is working on a computerized hopper with cameras and voice recognition software that will lock the lid if any other animal is detected besides a hog.The price is expected to be around $2000.00.
That doesn’t sound very practical to me and I wonder about the durability of a computerized device out in all sorts of weather.
Personally,I wouldn’t give a shite if all the bears disappeared along with the hogs.I see absolutely no reason Louisiana needs them but the feds and the state are all in for bears and seem determined we are going to have them no matter the cost.Bears are as bad as hogs in some ways,cattleman don’t like them because they eat cow feed and will kill small calves.They’re pretty destructive in corn fields and eat the hell out of pecans in the orchards.
Another issue is there will be a segment of the population that will freak out at the idea of poison and will fight it.Sodium nitrite is safe,it’s used as meat preservative, but a lot of people won’ t believe it.I expect there will be groups filing suits to get injunctions to block the use of it.I’m sure PETA and the Humane Society will fight it.
I am beyond pessimistic about the wild hog issue.
Hogs are particularly sensitive to sodium nitrite and it doesn’t take a lot to kill them.But other wildlife can also be harmed by it so the use of a hopper with a lid that can be opened by hogs but not deer or raccoons has been developed.Problem is bears will be able to open it so that will require some other system.I read some guy is working on a computerized hopper with cameras and voice recognition software that will lock the lid if any other animal is detected besides a hog.The price is expected to be around $2000.00.
That doesn’t sound very practical to me and I wonder about the durability of a computerized device out in all sorts of weather.
Personally,I wouldn’t give a shite if all the bears disappeared along with the hogs.I see absolutely no reason Louisiana needs them but the feds and the state are all in for bears and seem determined we are going to have them no matter the cost.Bears are as bad as hogs in some ways,cattleman don’t like them because they eat cow feed and will kill small calves.They’re pretty destructive in corn fields and eat the hell out of pecans in the orchards.
Another issue is there will be a segment of the population that will freak out at the idea of poison and will fight it.Sodium nitrite is safe,it’s used as meat preservative, but a lot of people won’ t believe it.I expect there will be groups filing suits to get injunctions to block the use of it.I’m sure PETA and the Humane Society will fight it.
I am beyond pessimistic about the wild hog issue.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:58 am to GREENHEAD22
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Listen to episode 115 on meateater. They have knocked them way down through trapping in Missouri.
Reason why Missouri has success is because they don’t allow public hog hunting LINK
Bounities don’t work either, you are incentivizing having pigs around then. If you get $ for every pig you shoot each year are you gonna go out and wipe out the population or are you gonna shoot a bunch this year and leave some for seed so you can shoot a bunch more next year as well?
There are hog hunting guides now that people will pay to go hog hunting. That’s a bad thing Now hogs have a value. You have to take the value away from the hog which means banning any type of hunting for them and then have professional trappers and shooters take them out. Letting Bubba run in your property after seee season with his catahoula cut and Pitbull does nothing to the population. Most of these people just catch and release the pigs anyways
Posted on 2/20/20 at 8:25 am to Ron Cheramie
quote:YES!
Reason why Missouri has success is because they don’t allow public hog hunting LINK Bounities don’t work either, you are incentivizing having pigs around then. If you get $ for every pig you shoot each year are you gonna go out and wipe out the population or are you gonna shoot a bunch this year and leave some for seed so you can shoot a bunch more next year as well? There are hog hunting guides now that people will pay to go hog hunting. That’s a bad thing Now hogs have a value. You have to take the value away from the hog which means banning any type of hunting for them and then have professional trappers and shooters take them out. Letting Bubba run in your property after seee season with his catahoula cut and Pitbull does nothing to the population. Most of these people just catch and release the pigs anyways
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:15 am to Parmen
I am fortunate, I have had my property for 14 years and no sign
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:46 pm to LSUA 75
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Personally,I wouldn’t give a shite if all the bears disappeared along with the hogs.I see absolutely no reason Louisiana needs them but the feds and the state are all in for bears and seem determined we are going to have them no matter the cost.Bears are as bad as hogs in some ways,cattleman don’t like them because they eat cow feed and will kill small calves.They’re pretty destructive in corn fields and eat the hell out of pecans in the orchards.
The difference between bears and hogs is that bears are a native species. They have a place in the ecosystem here.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:25 pm to TutHillTiger
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Their zillion man army hit bama about 10 years ago now they are everywhere.
I don't know where you are in Bama, but I remember friends in Sumter County 10 minutes from my family's land in Boligee having pig infestations a solid 5 years before we did. The only thing that made much sense was the dividing line for land with pigs or no pigs seemed to be around I-20, like it took them a while to migrate across the interstate
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:45 pm to jchamil
This could be true. Our land in North La is only 1/4 mile north of I-20. I have personally seen pigs rooting on the side of the road 5 miles south of us about 5 years ago. We feed year round for deer and have never once seen a hog (yet). I’ve told other people in the area and they said we’re just lucky.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 8:53 pm to REB BEER
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bears are a native species
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I’ve had this argument before.I wouldn’t care about bears if they would stay in the Atchafalya swamp or in Tensas.But they aren’t,they are showing up in Grant and Winn parish,nobody around here wants them.I’ve talked to people in Yellville Arkansas and they feel the same way.They are fine with them if they stay in the Buffalo National Forest But they are expanding their range and causing problems for the cattleman.
I don’t have cattle or raise corn or pecans,what I do have is an ongoing problem with hogs and I would like to get rid of them.
The best way to get rid of them is poison,Australia claims 90% success rate with the sodium nitrite poison which is significantly better than shooting or trapping.
But if the poison is approved it won’t be legal in areas with bears unless one has the computer controlled hopper that locks up when it detects a bear.The one I read about awhile back was $2000.00.,how many people are going to spend that.Hell the one they use in Australia costs about $800.00 U.S. dollars.It will exclude deer and raccoons but it won’t work for bears.
I just can’t see allowing pigs to take over our state because we are restricted from using the best tool available for fear of harming bears.The nutria are wreaking havoc in the marsh,we’re going to let hogs destroy the rest of the state?
Just today,I read that biologists in Texas fear that the hog population will triple over the next 5 years if they are not able to use poison.
Then again,maybe it doesn’t matter.The state is going down the tube anyway.
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bears are a native species
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I’ve had this argument before.I wouldn’t care about bears if they would stay in the Atchafalya swamp or in Tensas.But they aren’t,they are showing up in Grant and Winn parish,nobody around here wants them.I’ve talked to people in Yellville Arkansas and they feel the same way.They are fine with them if they stay in the Buffalo National Forest But they are expanding their range and causing problems for the cattleman.
I don’t have cattle or raise corn or pecans,what I do have is an ongoing problem with hogs and I would like to get rid of them.
The best way to get rid of them is poison,Australia claims 90% success rate with the sodium nitrite poison which is significantly better than shooting or trapping.
But if the poison is approved it won’t be legal in areas with bears unless one has the computer controlled hopper that locks up when it detects a bear.The one I read about awhile back was $2000.00.,how many people are going to spend that.Hell the one they use in Australia costs about $800.00 U.S. dollars.It will exclude deer and raccoons but it won’t work for bears.
I just can’t see allowing pigs to take over our state because we are restricted from using the best tool available for fear of harming bears.The nutria are wreaking havoc in the marsh,we’re going to let hogs destroy the rest of the state?
Just today,I read that biologists in Texas fear that the hog population will triple over the next 5 years if they are not able to use poison.
Then again,maybe it doesn’t matter.The state is going down the tube anyway.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 9:46 pm to REB BEER
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We feed year round for deer and have never once seen a hog (yet). I’ve told other people in the area and they said we’re just lucky.
You are lucky...so far, but you sound like us 10 years ago. If they’re in your area, they’re coming at some point
Posted on 2/21/20 at 6:37 am to LSUA 75
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Google Texas and feral hogs.They are shooting them,trapping and shooting out of helicopters and they are losing the war.
Texas has issues because they have huge tracts of land with fewer hunters, thousands of acres per landowner/ hunter. 1,000 acre tracts are rare most other places. If you have family land of 150-200 acres they are more easily controlled. I still have little sympathy for most of those Texas outfits. Charge $150 per hog or something reasonable where you can make money but still be affordable, and you’ll have plenty of hunters from the cities helping you out. Yes hunting is not the solution on a small scale because no one wants to allow the amount of hunters it would take. But you can put a serious dent in them with hunting.
How do you have a hog issue on 140 acres? Are you backed up to a wma or something like that? Hogs like anything don’t like to be bothered. Walk or ride the land and shoot them off. Where are they hiding from you on 140 acres? You get some buddies out for 2-3 weekends in a row for a ‘push’ type of hunt where you have some walking and others waiting for them to run to you and the hogs will leave.
If you have crappy neighbors that don’t care, that’s a different story.
This post was edited on 2/21/20 at 6:40 am
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:08 am to baldona
Well I own 140 acres but it is part of a 300 acre estate,mostly wooded.Our land is on Rigollete Bayou and there are 1000’s of acres between me and Red River and then south to the VA hospital.Go west towards Colfax,same thing.Go north,there are a gazillion acres of mostly wooded land.(pine plantations and such).I wish it was that easy to get a few guys and push them off my land,they come and go as it is but they don’t stay gone.
There are some people making an effort,there is 3500 acres of farmland across the bayou and last Feb.he had bunch of guys on the ground and had a helicopter driving the hogs.It sounded like a war going on.His next door neighbor has 3500 acres his family uses for hunting and he has been hiring people to hunt at night to try and keep them away.
Guy I know close to Boyce has 1200 acres of cattle and pecans,in good years he would harvest as much as 500,000 lbs pecans,he has abandoned much of his pecan orchard because of the hogs.He had traps but they learned to avoid them,he had hog dog people come,they would catch 1 or 2 but the rest would leave for awhile.Last few times the hogs wouldn’t stop so the dogs could catch them,they would run for miles and then would be back the next day.He’s old and rich so it’s not a financial catastrophe for him.
I can’t blame ranchers in Texas for not letting bunch of people hunt hogs on their land.A certain percentage of them are going to be trigger happy yahoos that are going to shoot their cows,deer,maybe their house and tractors.I’d be reluctant to let people I didn’t know loose on my land with high powered rifles and high capacity magazines.
One thing I failed to mention is I have an expensive cellular operated trap (Boar Buster) that I spent way more money on than I wanted to and I’ve had some success with it.If the bears find it ,it’ll be game over.I have no idea of a bait that would be attractive to hogs and not bears and a bear was seen about 2 miles from my house last summer,I know it’s true because guy took picture of it on his cellphone.
There are some people making an effort,there is 3500 acres of farmland across the bayou and last Feb.he had bunch of guys on the ground and had a helicopter driving the hogs.It sounded like a war going on.His next door neighbor has 3500 acres his family uses for hunting and he has been hiring people to hunt at night to try and keep them away.
Guy I know close to Boyce has 1200 acres of cattle and pecans,in good years he would harvest as much as 500,000 lbs pecans,he has abandoned much of his pecan orchard because of the hogs.He had traps but they learned to avoid them,he had hog dog people come,they would catch 1 or 2 but the rest would leave for awhile.Last few times the hogs wouldn’t stop so the dogs could catch them,they would run for miles and then would be back the next day.He’s old and rich so it’s not a financial catastrophe for him.
I can’t blame ranchers in Texas for not letting bunch of people hunt hogs on their land.A certain percentage of them are going to be trigger happy yahoos that are going to shoot their cows,deer,maybe their house and tractors.I’d be reluctant to let people I didn’t know loose on my land with high powered rifles and high capacity magazines.
One thing I failed to mention is I have an expensive cellular operated trap (Boar Buster) that I spent way more money on than I wanted to and I’ve had some success with it.If the bears find it ,it’ll be game over.I have no idea of a bait that would be attractive to hogs and not bears and a bear was seen about 2 miles from my house last summer,I know it’s true because guy took picture of it on his cellphone.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:14 am to baldona
quote:No you really can't. All pressure/hunting/hog doggin' does is move them to the neighbor's tract.
But you can put a serious dent in them with hunting.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:17 am to LSUA 75
quote:Tell me about this, please. Let's reverse engineer it.
I have an expensive cellular operated trap (Boar Buster)
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