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re: Has anyone know about the process to get dog hunting banned in a NF?
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:26 am to weagle99
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:26 am to weagle99
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Just something to think about.
They aren’t gonna think about that. Getting rid of dog and meat hunters is less competition. They’ll claim it’s all for herd health but we know that’s BS
ETA: I think back a few months ago on Facebook Louisiana Deer hunting page. Buddy of mine who maybe hunts 2-3 times a year in fenced in property was bitching about dog hunters messing up his hunting. I texted him how the hell is that the case and he just replied with lol. It’s amazing how many people make up stories on dog and meat hunters just to get their argument across. Like I said I only still hunt but I’ve had waaaaaay more issues with still hunters. Deer are the dumbest animals you can hunt, people take it way too seriously
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 11:43 am
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:54 am to windshieldman
I am not advocating making dog hunting illegal on leased or private lands. It just has no place on public lands.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:00 pm to AUCE05
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It just has no place on public lands.
I disagree, I feel if we can still hunt they should be able to run dogs, on public property. Either keep both or get rid of both.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:01 pm to AUCE05
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It just has no place on public lands.
10 pages
Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:03 pm to windshieldman
Why should everyone else surrender the forest for 3 months while you pursue your hobby? You know dog hunters put up every barrier to keep people out.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:10 pm to AUCE05
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Why should everyone else surrender the forest for 3 months
Most hikers and fishermen will surrender many areas of public land during hunting season due to hunters. Again I don’t dog hunt, I’ve only been once many years ago. I’ve never had issues with them.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:37 pm to windshieldman
There are a lot more nice bucks in Kisatchie since the banning of dog hunting. I think most people that run dogs are meat hunters and kill everything they see. In my opinion you have a better deer population without dog hunting.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 1:04 pm to windshieldman
I live a few miles from KNF,I don’t think it was deer dog issue so much as it was a slob hunter issue.The deer doggers had zero concern for the safety and property rights of the people that lived adjacent to the forest.They would be driving 80-90 miles an hour down the roads in effort to cut off the deer,shooting across the roads,etc.Some of the adjacent landowners had deer feeders and food plots and the deer doggers would turn their dogs loose on peoples property and take stands on the boundary of the forest.My dad (dead now)lived next to KNF and almost got in a shoot out with a guy standing in his front yard with a rifle.He asked the guy to leave and he didn’t want to.My dad went in his house,got his shotgun and faced the guy down,made him leave.In short,they would run roughshod over the whole community.Anyone complained about about them or their dogs being on their property they would get belligerent and threatening.The deer doggers had no one to blame but theirselves for getting banned.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 1:16 pm to AUCE05
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Agree, but they don't own the land
when nobody owns the land, everybody owns the land
Posted on 7/29/19 at 1:47 pm to LSUA 75
Same here. I grew up adjact to a NF. These people have zero respect for anyone else. Ill add most add in weed or beer and hunt with rifles.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 2:03 pm to Gatorgar
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There are a lot more nice bucks in Kisatchie since the banning of dog hunting. I think most people that run dogs are meat hunters and kill everything they see. In my opinion you have a better deer population without dog hunting.
Statistics and game wardens say otherwise, at least from what I’ve been shown, and have seen for myself hunting there the last 30 years, in kisatchie. Could be due to less people hunting it now though?
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 2:05 pm to LSUA 75
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I live a few miles from KNF,I don’t think it was deer dog issue so much as it was a slob hunter issue.The deer doggers had zero concern for the safety and property rights of the people that lived adjacent to the forest.They would be driving 80-90 miles an hour down the roads in effort to cut off the deer,shooting across the roads,etc.Some of the adjacent landowners had deer feeders and food plots and the deer doggers would turn their dogs loose on peoples property and take stands on the boundary of the forest.My dad (dead now)lived next to KNF and almost got in a shoot out with a guy standing in his front yard with a rifle.He asked the guy to leave and he didn’t want to.My dad went in his house,got his shotgun and faced the guy down,made him leave.In short,they would run roughshod over the whole community.Anyone complained about about them or their dogs being on their property they would get belligerent and threatening.The deer doggers had no one to blame but theirselves for getting banned.
Obviously bad apples can ruin it but still hunters can be just as awful. And The vast majority of dog hunters I know or run into are very good and ethical hunters. Tbh, most any kind of hunters I run into period are. I would hope folks having a bad dealing with still hunters wouldn’t go to pushing for the ban of still hunting due to some dumb asses
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 7/30/19 at 5:50 am to windshieldman
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Obviously bad apples can ruin it but still hunters can be just as awful. And The vast majority of dog hunters I know or run into are very good and ethical hunters. Tbh, most any kind of hunters I run into period are. I would hope folks having a bad dealing with still hunters wouldn’t go to pushing for the ban of still hunting due to some dumb asses
I think that still hunters do a better job of condemning their bad apples. Dog hunters close ranks for the most part. Shitty still/dog hunters are damaging to us all
Posted on 7/30/19 at 7:38 am to AUCE05
I don't hunt and don't a have a dog in this fight but I'd suggest you consider the way you present your argument, although it is probably just semantics.
I would assume that most would agree that the NF belongs to all American citizens. The argument might need to be "what's the best way for it to be enjoyed by all of the citizens?" (or at least the most citizens)
Best of luck on your mission. We all need an idea to fight for, and to do it, to make our lives better in the future. Actually, that might be a good idea for a thread... "What have you believed in enough to actually take action to change?"
I would assume that most would agree that the NF belongs to all American citizens. The argument might need to be "what's the best way for it to be enjoyed by all of the citizens?" (or at least the most citizens)
Best of luck on your mission. We all need an idea to fight for, and to do it, to make our lives better in the future. Actually, that might be a good idea for a thread... "What have you believed in enough to actually take action to change?"
Posted on 7/30/19 at 7:56 am to AUCE05
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I am not advocating making dog hunting illegal on leased or private lands. It just has no place on public lands.
So in other words, you believe that public land should only be for activities and ways you enjoy hunting?
I think we should ban bow hunting on public land, it interferes with my dog hunting, why do yall have to sit in trees by yourself? Come join the group baw.
You say dog hunters want to own the public land... but you are the only one I see advocating for public land to be restricted to activities you partake in, if you want land to bow hunt, go out and buy your own private land, and stop being a moron. Hunters should be pushing more rights to hunt, not less.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:09 am to dfintlyHmmrd
You make some very valid points.
Bow hunters have over 2 months to still hunt before dog season opens (where I hunt). And then we have less than 6 weeks to run our dogs.
Bow hunters have over 2 months to still hunt before dog season opens (where I hunt). And then we have less than 6 weeks to run our dogs.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:27 am to celltech1981
quote:Maybe it's to keep their dogs from being run over?
technically they do own the public land. In the Homochitto it is common to see dog hunters blocking public roads so they can line them. The fellers doing the blocking have radios so they can give the folks on the road a warning if a warden/cop shows up.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:32 am to White Bear
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Maybe it's to keep their dogs from being run over?
Nope.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:55 am to celltech1981
quote:Your hate for deer houndsmen is clouding your judgement.
Nope.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:05 am to White Bear
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Your hate for deer houndsmen is clouding your judgement.
I don't hate them. I've seen them line the roads there. I was hunting down a gravel road and when I left out they were standing on four wheelers along the road and two guys had to move their trucks to let me out because they were blocking folks from turning in. I have seen this multiple times.
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