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re: Gents with experience in hunting timber leases, what to expect with harvest.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 3:28 pm to Sparty3131
Posted on 1/11/23 at 3:28 pm to Sparty3131
Liability issues is what I have always been told, smoke causing car accidents or fires getting onto other properties.
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 5:10 pm to GREENHEAD22
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I wish the states would put guidelines in place that would basically give them immunity for burning.
Louisiana is a right to burn state
However if you are negligent while burning you will be liable
Posted on 1/11/23 at 5:11 pm to GREENHEAD22
As others have already pointed out, TheDrunkenTigah’s info. is spot on. (Stands on the edges of it will become the best on the property overnight. Look for bottoms that create fingers out into it, deer will stage there and wait for dark.)
The only thing I would add to this, based on my experience, is that for mature deer we had better luck moving our stands anywhere from 10 to 50 yards into the woods next to the clear cut areas to be in a better position to see the deer in the staging areas. The difference in yards was solely based on visibility within the woods.
We would definitely see improvement in antler growth the first 2-3 years after the cut due to the additional browse/food source that is created.
The only thing I would add to this, based on my experience, is that for mature deer we had better luck moving our stands anywhere from 10 to 50 yards into the woods next to the clear cut areas to be in a better position to see the deer in the staging areas. The difference in yards was solely based on visibility within the woods.
We would definitely see improvement in antler growth the first 2-3 years after the cut due to the additional browse/food source that is created.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 5:15 pm to Sparty3131
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Is that why there is not more prescribed burning? I assumed large tracts of timber company land is not burning because it is cheaper and less liability to spray chemicals.
Spot on. You can’t control the weather so you can’t guarantee you will get a good burn day when you plan on burning. May be too wet, too humid, wrong wind direction, or a host of other things Burning a clearcut before planting doesn’t do much for hardwood control because the fuel loads are usually low and don’t get hot enough whereas herbicides used at the recommended rate can be applied almost any time and give you the desired results for cheaper
Posted on 1/11/23 at 7:28 pm to GREENHEAD22
i doubt they sprayed it every year. They are spraying out hardwoods and once they are dead they are dead. Once the pines create a canopy there is no need to spray again until after the first thinning.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:46 pm to GREENHEAD22
Ive seen and shot deer in new, yet to be planted clearcuts, as well as in replanted young pines. The hunting will be great for a while until it gets too thick.
Right after they replant (next winter), go in and create shooting lanes for a cross or crows food shaped stand/plot area. Once the pines get too established, cutting is a no-no, and more difficult. An edge is better than right in the middle.
Right after they replant (next winter), go in and create shooting lanes for a cross or crows food shaped stand/plot area. Once the pines get too established, cutting is a no-no, and more difficult. An edge is better than right in the middle.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:49 pm to dat yat
How are you creating those shooting lanes?
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:02 pm to tenfoe
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Weyerhaeuser doesn't spray
Sure they do.
Yep, I've even seen them spray a couple years after a 1st thinning. They only did half the stand one year and the edge of where they stopped proved to be a good area.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:09 pm to GREENHEAD22
Several of us in the club had a dozer guy do it; that land had been deeply furrowed because is was kinda low lying.
Another member had stands in an unfurrowed area and he just used a 4 wheeler and hand tools. He lived nearby and had time on his hands. The rest of us lived hours away, so dozing was the ticket for us.
ETA- A tractor would have done it fine. Dozer seems extreme in retrospect, but the dozer was also there to fix club roads that the loggers had wrecked during the whack,nuke&stick operation.
Another member had stands in an unfurrowed area and he just used a 4 wheeler and hand tools. He lived nearby and had time on his hands. The rest of us lived hours away, so dozing was the ticket for us.
ETA- A tractor would have done it fine. Dozer seems extreme in retrospect, but the dozer was also there to fix club roads that the loggers had wrecked during the whack,nuke&stick operation.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 1/12/23 at 4:15 am to dat yat
The timber company won’t like the shooting lanes.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 5:53 am to GREENHEAD22
Getting a clear cut in piney woods, is the best thing that can happen. It’s like putting a food plot in, with the tonnage at deer height it provides. Hunt the edges next year, like you would hunt a food plot. Nothing boost the deer antlers in our area, like when they come in and clear cut a section. It just provides more browse during the antler growing season….
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:31 am to 257WBY
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The timber company won’t like the shooting lanes.
My cousin and uncle were the treasurer and president of that club; they managed the Weyerhaeuser rules and relationship. Our lanes were about 10-12ft wide 100-125 yds long and we did about 8 of the stands after that replanting. The Weyerhaeuser lease had a food plot clause where they charge extra for plot acreage and they never said a word or charged us extra.
I got out of that Arkansas lease this year and now hunt my own MS pineywoods land. When I leased out part of my place to a guy, I laid out very specific parameters for trail and plot sizes.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:58 am to GREENHEAD22
The clear cut is your friend
Congrats on some better hunting
Congrats on some better hunting
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 10:12 am
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:44 pm to dat yat
Weyerhaeuser must not make a big fuss over carving out lanes after a cut, most of our club stands have nice long lanes within the new plantings.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:56 pm to GREENHEAD22
They are doing you a favor hunt it hard this coming year. Deer a big-time creatures of habit, and they will continue to use those trails for a year or two even without the protection.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:21 am to GREENHEAD22
now is the time to start planning where you want your small food plots/stands to be located. make sure those areas are cleared and leveled as best you can after they leave. sometimes the loading zone works well. let the cutover grow up around your plots and stands. then boom.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:21 pm to GREENHEAD22
First year after summer growing season. If there are any big pines on the edge that you can climb high and see down in that cutover after a few years, that’s as good as it gets. Just maintain a trail along the edge for access. You’ll be golden for a few years.
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