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re: Forward facing Sonar in tournaments

Posted on 5/14/23 at 6:45 pm to
Posted by LSU Neil
Springfield
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 5/14/23 at 6:45 pm to
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Besides, it's available for everyone


So is the Alabama rig. BASS banned it -many lakes banned it as well. Ross Barnett i think may be one.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15013 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 6:50 pm to
Bama rigs are banned completely or the number of hooks is limited?
Posted by John_V
SELA
Member since Oct 2018
2032 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 7:31 pm to
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Bama rigs are banned completely or the number of hooks is limited?


The Bama rig itself is banned on the top tier leagues for both MLF and BASS. I think it'd be more enjoyable as a fan to see the pros fishing old school, but biggest sponsors on the tours are the Electronic manufacturers so no way they ever limit it.
It's a sad look for the sport when they DQ Poche for using a boat to his advantage but are okay with guys video game fishing for $100k.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15013 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 7:36 pm to
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I think it'd be more enjoyable as a fan to see the pros fishing old school


What is “old school” fishing?
Posted by John_V
SELA
Member since Oct 2018
2032 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 7:44 pm to
Throwing to a spot that you're not 100% sure there's a fish at, it's also known as "fishing". A large group of the Elite guys won't cast unless they see a fish on their FFS, it's hilarious on your part to act like that's not a "new school" way of fishing.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15013 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 7:48 pm to
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Throwing to a spot that you're not 100% sure there's a fish at, it's also known as "fishing".


So no electronics at all?

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it's hilarious on your part to act like that's not a "new school" way of fishing.


That is something you find hilarious?
Posted by John_V
SELA
Member since Oct 2018
2032 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 8:08 pm to
I have no problem watching guys fish a point they side scanned, in fact I think that watching KVD did in 2016 on Toledo was pro fishing at its best.

I don't enjoy guys only casting when they see a bass and chasing bass down the lake that show up on their FFS.

There's an interview with Patrick Walters where he admits he chased one bass 1/4 miles into a pocket on livescope til he got it to eat in 2020 on Fork. That's not fishing, it's hunting at that point.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15013 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 8:20 pm to
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in fact I think that watching KVD did in 2016 on Toledo was pro fishing at its best.


Ah so paying locals for tree top/brush pile locations and going fish them?
This post was edited on 5/14/23 at 8:21 pm
Posted by John_V
SELA
Member since Oct 2018
2032 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 8:41 pm to
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Ah so paying locals for tree top/brush pile locations and going fish them?


You really think KVD of all people didn't know to check brush piles on humps during the shad spawn? lol
Plus sharing any info within a few weeks, and during the tournaments was banned by BASS back in the day (not sure if it's changed since). Sharing info and jumping dams is strangely where BASS draws the line for their trails.
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
15933 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 8:55 pm to
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Throwing to a spot that you're not 100% sure there's a fish at, it's also known as "fishing". A large group of the Elite guys won't cast unless they see a fish on their FFS, it's hilarious on your part to act like that's not a "new school" way of fishing.

I remember reading a guy’s story about fishing with a pro as a marshal during a tournament. He tried to describe the difference between how the pro fished and how a very good fisherman fished. His opinion was the biggest difference was the efficiency of the pro - his bait was in the potential strike zone so much more than other fishermen. All his movements were geared to getting the bait out and spending max time in an area where a bass might hit it.

With FFS, that’s no longer an advantage. In the past, you might never know a huge bass was out there or that it chased your lure 20 feet before turning away. Now instead of covering water, they throw to the same fish again and again. It’s like bed fishing.
Posted by John_V
SELA
Member since Oct 2018
2032 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 9:06 pm to
That's the biggest benefit I've found with my livescope so far. I can make sure my bait is in the exact depth that I need it to be in when fishing anything and anywhere. The amount of wasted casts in the wrong area or depth is almost nonexistent now.
Posted by deltafarmer
Member since Dec 2019
907 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 5:49 am to
Fishing technology takes a lot of the guesswork out of fishing the same way game cameras and piles of feed take the guesswork out of killing a big buck and putting it in a big buck contest to win prizes. None of it seems right to me
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
13315 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 5:57 am to
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I think state wildlife departments are going to be the ones to halt its use,



Would be might near impossible and a political nightmare and would go against the grain in fisheries management. Nothing about FFS or advanced technologies means more fish are being harvested. Just the opposite is true...first and foremost most states have experienced a serious drop in the number of people fishing. Kids are not as interested as they once were and young adults, those kids parents, are also uninterested. Advanced technology in the hands of a casual angler who takes the time to learn to use it makes it far more likely that they will catch fish, go fishing and most importantly take their kids fishing. It means less time on the water but more fishing days...and has had no impact on populations of fish that is supported by any data....because even the meat fisherman who takes the time to learn it will keep fewer fish each trip because they have a higher rate of confidence that they will catch fish more often. Fisheries management organizations need people to fish to exist...they encourage it as much as possible despite some of the BS they pull from time to time public interest in fishing is the only thing keeping them funded. Advanced technologies, in the hands of those who take the time to learn to use it, makes catching fish more likely and they will more likely stay interested. Technology does not mean you catch fish every trip but if used appropriately it does make it far more likely...
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86454 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:58 am to
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BASS banned it -many lakes banned it as well.
Those are banned or limited in many States. Are you really comparing a piece of sonar to a multi-hooked bait?
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