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For the reloaders here - Hornady brass sucks.

Posted on 8/19/26 at 12:22 pm
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
29146 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 12:22 pm
I've built a new rifle in 22 arc. The parent case is the 6.5 grendel which I have as well and have a decent amount of grendel brass.

Y-day I got my dies and wanted to get them set up and ready to make some bullets so I grabbed some of the grendel brass that I had and decided to neck them down to .22.

Had some federal and hornady brass that I tried.
The Federal did just fine. No issues at all. The hornady brass all collapsed at the shoulder. I've even had issue reloading hornady brass with 6.5 grendel. Hornady is just too soft.

Posted by duckaholic25
Member since Nov 2010
199 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 1:36 pm to
Run it through a grendel die first. Hornady brass is a little thicker and its causing the crushing. Setting the shoulders back with the grendel die first should fix it.
Posted by Got Blaze
Youngsville
Member since Dec 2013
10255 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 7:23 pm to
Lapua … that’s the only brass I use. I used / reloaded a single piece of Lapua brass 40x’s on my 17 Little Nasty. The primer pockets were still tight and brass shoes no signs of fatigue. I was loading Vitavhouri N133 and pushing a 25 gr Berger over 4,000 fps. Buy once cry once.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
29146 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 7:42 pm to
quote:

Lapua


If I were using this in a bolt action I would definitely be using Lapua. Since it's in my AR, good chance I loose some so, starline it is.

I do have lapua for my 6.5 creedmoor.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
18389 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 9:16 pm to
Learned this the hard way myself. After that I ponied up for Peterson. After a few weeks I decided to try some leftover norma whitetail, which is not supposed to be as good as their retail unloaded brass, but even that was significantly better than Hornady. If you’re just reloading hunting stuff, I highly recommend going and getting two boxes of norma whitetail when it goes on clearance somewhere, using it for practice/establishing baseline groups, and then just reloading that.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7683 posts
Posted on 8/20/26 at 12:25 am to
quote:

Lapua … that’s the only brass I use

It's the best. , Hornady is not. Hornady brass is the reason I have a 20 Practical (223 Rem necked down to 20 caliber) instead of a 204 Ruger. My son in law has a 204. When I started loading for it, Hornady was the only brass I could find so I bought some. I was NOT impressed. I later made the 20 Practical so I could use Lapua brass and have not been disappointed.

OTOH, there are some situation where I'll settle for non-Lapua brass. When using other brass, Remington and Winchester are my last choice. I've been pleased w/ Starline, Nosler, Dogtown (Midway brand made by Nosler), PPU and Peterson. For me, Hornady is just above Rem/Win, but below everyone else. I bought some Sig brass for my 300 BO but have tried the brass yet.
This post was edited on 8/23/26 at 12:13 pm
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
21095 posts
Posted on 8/20/26 at 5:41 am to
I had a bad batch of ammo from them some years back. The American Whitetail rounds, I've never bought Hornady again.
Posted by luvdoc
"Please Ignore Our Yelp Reviews"
Member since May 2005
1212 posts
Posted on 8/20/26 at 8:24 am to
The Hornaday American whitetail is consistently the lowest priced name-brand rounds, often lower than PPU, when I am buying 25-06

I have never bought it, but always found it odd that it was priced so low considering the Hornaday name
Posted by saintsfan1977
Arkansas, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
10656 posts
Posted on 8/21/26 at 3:08 am to
quote:

Hornady brass sucks.

This is widely known. Use Lapua, ADG or Peterson
I use Peterson.
This post was edited on 8/21/26 at 3:09 am
Posted by Spankum
The Sip
Member since Jan 2007
63746 posts
Posted on 8/21/26 at 10:43 am to
I have no experience reloading rifle ammunition and just wanted to drop by and say you guys definitely speak a different language.

I read the whole thread and didn’t understand a single post so far!
Posted by Duckhammer_77
Republic of Tensas
Member since Nov 2016
3098 posts
Posted on 8/21/26 at 11:03 am to
Lapua or Nosler for me...buy once, cry once

I did get a bag of Hornady for my 35 Whelan only because its loaded for minute-of-vitals at 200yds.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7683 posts
Posted on 8/21/26 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

I have no experience reloading rifle ammunition and just wanted to drop by and say you guys definitely speak a different language.

I read the whole thread and didn’t understand a single post so far!


TLDR version:
Hornady brass sucks.
Lapua brass is the best.
Others like ADG, Peterson and Nosler are pretty good.
Posted by tiger rag 93
KCMO
Member since Oct 2007
3227 posts
Posted on 8/21/26 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

Y-day


You couldn’t spell out the word yesterday?
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
29146 posts
Posted on 8/21/26 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

iger rag 93


quote:

You couldn’t spell out the word yesterday?


Why does that bother you? Never seen an abbreviation? Are they too difficult for you to figure out?

This post was edited on 8/21/26 at 2:43 pm
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7683 posts
Posted on 8/23/26 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

The hornady brass all collapsed at the shoulder. I've even had issue reloading hornady brass with 6.5 grendel. Hornady is just too soft.


A couple ideas:
What kind of lubricant were you using? Might work in one step using a different lubricant.

Are your dies the usual type or use neck sizing bushings? Going from 6.5 to 22 is a big jump. Although Federal brass handled it, that might be too much for Hornady Necking up is a lot easier than necking down.You might need to go down in increments. The aforementioned 20 Practical is a 223 Rem necked down to 20 caliber. I use Lapua brass, Redding dies and Imperial neck sizing powder. If the brass seems "sticky" I'll use Imperial sizing wax to lubricate the neck instead. To neck down, I first use the full length die, then neck down to 20 caliber using two smaller neck sizing bushings. I also shoot a 20 VarTarg using Nosler 221 Rem Fireball necked down to 20 caliber.I neck the brass down in one step using Imperial sizing was on the neck.

As a last resort, you could try annealing the brass.

Good luck and keep us updated.
This post was edited on 8/23/26 at 12:14 pm
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
29146 posts
Posted on 8/23/26 at 1:28 pm to
That’s for the tips TOTH. Sizing die is a full length die. Was using Lee lube and will be using imperial going forward.

It was just a one time thing. Won’t be doing it going forward as I have 22arc brass now. I was really being impatient and wanted to see about getting the dies set up.
I did shoot the gun on Friday and as having extraction issues. Accurate though.

Got home and the bolt didn’t have a washer on the extractor. Ordered some and will get that fixed. In the meantime, I took the BCG out of my Grendel and will use it.

I will definitely be annealing the brass as it produces such better consistency. Amp makes quick work of the process.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
29146 posts
Posted on 8/23/26 at 6:41 pm to
I am now remembering why I didn’t like the 6.5 Staball.

Very inconsistent. I have a AutoTrickler and it’s stupid accurate. Every round was loaded with
30.98 or 31 gr of 6.5 staball.

My S/D was almost 30.

I will say that I did not sort the bullets nor the brass for weight but it really shouldn’t make that big of a difference considering powder was very exact.

Oh well, it’s still pretty danged accurate and my longest shots this winter will only be 250-300 yds though that probably won’t happen.
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