First lite is amazing

You got the old set? New stuff has wind proof

Forgot to add that I have a Cabela’s hand muff that has gore Tex infinium that is amazing too

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You got the old set? New stuff has wind proof

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Yup, I bought it the year before they came out with the wind proof stuff. Wind cuts through it pretty good.

I've got a split of KUIU, First Lite and Sitka. It took me a while to really prove it, but Sitka is way warmer. I love the First Lite Furnace baselayers, but after baselayers I will be selling off my First Lite. Sitka is where it's at. My lighter, thinner Stratus jacket is warmer and lighter while also blocking 100% of the wind while the heavy arse Woodbury isn't near as warm and it's bulky.

Also for warmer weather or just on the cool side the FL Obsidian Merino pants are okay, just okay to me. Not that soft, comfy or stretchy. Meanwhile the Sitka Equinox Guard pants were sent from heaven made by Jesus himself.

I have all First lite gear with solitude as my outside layer. In low wind conditions, I can have 3 layers and stay warm down to 10 degrees or so, unless the wind is blowing upwards of 10 mph.

That’s my only complaint about First Lite. I bought my stuff 2 or 3 yrs ago. 2 years ago, I hunted one morning at about 18 degrees with 18-20 mph winds and had to get down. I almost froze because the wind went straight through it.

I’ll sell and rebuy another set if the new stuff is wind proof, or just upgrade to sanctuary set.

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I love the First Lite Furnace baselayers, but after baselayers I will be selling off my First Lite. Sitka is where it's at. My lighter, thinner Stratus jacket is warmer and lighter while also blocking 100% of the wind while the heavy arse Woodbury isn't near as warm and it's bulky.

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I have Kuiu for western, early, and mid season. I tried the Sitka stuff and the stratus would’ve had too many layers. Fanatic was too fluffy with the brush. I never tried incinerator though. I also wanted a more versatile jacket and the fanatic was not it. Stratus would’ve also did the same role but less than my Kuiu axis hybrid.

First lite sanctuary jacket was warmer to me than fanatic and I didn’t need the hand muff the fanatic has because I already have a good one.

Sanctuary bibs were too much down here so I settled on solitudes and glad I did. I did not like the solitude jacket as the collar was very stiff and high. Sanctuary was much better.

Tried out kuiu proximity also and it just wasn’t as good as others.

Everybody has to remember all the 2.0 first lite is wind proof. Older first lite was not.

It's a good thing to try different things and find what you like! Unfortunately most of my First Lite was bought 3-5 years ago and the winds howl through them. And then deeper down I have issues with the Chernin Group and especially that chump Janis.

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especially that chump Janis.

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What'd he do?

I like my kuiu katana jacket, but I wear it year round for rain and stuff. It's just a typical softshell though, lots of other companies make the same thing for the same price.

In June of 2020 - "Please go vote this November. These protest won't mean a thing unless we vote the assholes and racist out."

Let's just say he is woke, and a BLM supporter. He is entitled to freedom of speech and I choose to spend LOTS of money with John Barklow, a sure enough badass that served this country to the highest degree.

I may not have too much of choice such as Apple or Android, but when I can I got to follow folks with like-minded beliefs.

What gear is the Chernin group associated with?

You lost me on that rant.