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re: Ethanol "free" gas in outboards
Posted on 8/8/11 at 8:34 am to OhFace55
Posted on 8/8/11 at 8:34 am to OhFace55
I noticed that the truck stop on hwy 70 that I fills up a 2 weekends ago took down all their no ethanol signs
Would it kill a gas station to keep a just one pump ethanol free? Everybody with a damn boat would full there, not to mention gas cans for use in ATVs and lawn mowers and other small engines
Would it kill a gas station to keep a just one pump ethanol free? Everybody with a damn boat would full there, not to mention gas cans for use in ATVs and lawn mowers and other small engines
Posted on 8/8/11 at 9:03 am to Boats n Hose
I'm currently debating scrapping a weedeater and blower that won't crank due to the ethanol sitting up over the winter
I would imagine it'll cost more to clean them than buying new ones.
I would imagine it'll cost more to clean them than buying new ones.
Posted on 8/8/11 at 9:07 am to Boats n Hose
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I noticed that the truck stop on hwy 70
It was ethanol free for awhile, I was told the reason they took them down was because they were having trouble getting ethanol free gas...last time I put gas there 93 was the only ethanol-free grade
Posted on 8/8/11 at 9:08 am to redneck
Yeah the biggest thing is that the ethanol gasoline traps water and it separates after a month or two of non use plus i have heard that it corrodes internal lines inside the motors of the new four strokes. the old two strokes seem to be less prone to ethanol related problems.
Posted on 8/8/11 at 9:35 am to AboveGroundPool
quote:Me too, but that's all we run in the boat and small engines anyway. That motor we have starts idling like shite and gets harder to turn over if your run low octane in it, plus since we switched to 93 we haven't had any engine problems.
last time I put gas there 93 was the only ethanol-free grade
Stumps is the only place we fill up the boat now.
Posted on 8/8/11 at 9:36 am to bayoudude
quote:Negative, it gives ours hell
old two strokes seem to be less prone to ethanol related problems.
Posted on 8/8/11 at 9:36 am to Boats n Hose
quote:I've never put anything but that in my outboards.
that's all we run in the boat and small engines anyway
Posted on 8/8/11 at 9:40 am to AlxTgr
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Stumps is the only place we fill up the boat now.
oh the memories...used to stop by this place every morning on my way to work to get a biscuit and after work to grab a cold one.
Posted on 8/8/11 at 10:35 am to AlxTgr
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that's all we run in the boat and small engines anyway
quote:
I've never put anything but that in my outboards.
If you're running mercury outbards, from EFIs to the Pro XS, 87 octane is the recommended fuel grade, you're wasting your money if you're using nothing but 93...have been told this by numerous mechanics.
I can't speak for older outbards, but I would agree that a higher octane is better for carbureted outboards since it's cleaner burning
Posted on 8/8/11 at 10:42 am to AboveGroundPool
quote:Nope...
If you're running mercury outbards, from EFIs to the Pro XS, 87 octane is the recommended fuel grade, you're wasting your money if you're using nothing but 93
MERCURY & MARINER FUEL RECOMMENDATIONS
quote:
Use a major brand of automotive unleaded petrol (ULP) with a minimum posted octane rating of 91These recommendations apply to Mercury and Mariner 2-Stroke, 4-Stroke, Verado and OptiMax models unless specified otherwise (ref to "Notes & Exceptions" following)
Posted on 8/8/11 at 10:44 am to AlxTgr
I have always put premium in my outboards.
Posted on 8/8/11 at 10:49 am to AlxTgr
This is what I see...
mercurymarine.com
What octane rating should the gasoline that I use in my motor have?
United States and Canada
Use a major brand of automotive unleaded gasoline with a minimum-posted octane rating of 87. Leaded gasoline is not recommended. Performance Products will have different requirements, consult your Operation, Maintenance & Warranty manual.
LINK
Also for newer mercury outboards
Mercury Pro XS recommended fuel - click on specifications
this comes from mercurymarine.com.au - australian or european grades?
Ive never had a single problem running 87 and 89
mercurymarine.com
What octane rating should the gasoline that I use in my motor have?
United States and Canada
Use a major brand of automotive unleaded gasoline with a minimum-posted octane rating of 87. Leaded gasoline is not recommended. Performance Products will have different requirements, consult your Operation, Maintenance & Warranty manual.
LINK
Also for newer mercury outboards
Mercury Pro XS recommended fuel - click on specifications
quote:
Use a major brand of automotive unleaded petrol (ULP) with a minimum posted octane rating of 91These recommendations apply to Mercury and Mariner 2-Stroke, 4-Stroke, Verado and OptiMax models unless specified otherwise (ref to "Notes & Exceptions" following)
this comes from mercurymarine.com.au - australian or european grades?
Ive never had a single problem running 87 and 89
This post was edited on 8/8/11 at 11:00 am
Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:08 am to AboveGroundPool
Interesting. Well, I've had such a good run with premium, I'm not stopping now.
Posted on 8/8/11 at 11:19 am to Icansee4miles
quote:
And the corn lobby bullied/conned/paid EPA to approve the sales of E-15
This subject makes my blood PSI go up a good bit.
Posted on 8/8/11 at 7:08 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Our boat has 8,000 miles on it and roughly 400 he's it is only one year old almost to the date and this past weekend we had ethanol problems we have never put anything but ethanol free fuel in our boat. We run at least 260 gallons per weekend.
Ethanol free fuel is really just less ethanol all fuel these days has ethanol it
Ethanol free fuel is really just less ethanol all fuel these days has ethanol it
Posted on 8/8/11 at 7:16 pm to Cracker
Do not run the fuel out of your motor. Ever.
Posted on 8/8/11 at 8:00 pm to Me4Heisman
quote:
Do not run the fuel out of your motor. Ever.
Why? I've done it quite a few times. Right before I have to switch tanks every time actually. For as long as we've had the motor.
Posted on 8/8/11 at 8:38 pm to Boats n Hose
Some of ya'll are giving bad scoop of what happens if the alcohol sits in your motors. Most if not all newer motors have the right rubber hoses that alcolhol doesn't screw with. Just read your fuel line! If it doesn't state it, replace it.
The biggest problem with ethanol base fuel is that it goes "stale" or just seporates after 30 or so days. Myself, with some stabil, I burnt fuel as old as 1 1/2 years old. Another problem is that the alcolhol sucks up mosture which lays out at the bottom of your fuel tank. After some time, along with alcolhol, it starts to etch the alummunn tank. After a bit of time, that crap carrys over to your injectors or carbs. Rebuilding them, one will find a white powder build up pluging up jets.
To help provent the later problem, use 10 micro prefilters. Yes all newer motors do have a filter, but an extra prefilter will save you bucks in the long run. They are a lot cheapper then name brand filters for your motor. Make sure the you are using atleast a 3/8" inlet and outlet on a prefilter. You do not want to run your motor lean with a smaller prefilter. Read your manual on installing one.
The biggest problem with ethanol base fuel is that it goes "stale" or just seporates after 30 or so days. Myself, with some stabil, I burnt fuel as old as 1 1/2 years old. Another problem is that the alcolhol sucks up mosture which lays out at the bottom of your fuel tank. After some time, along with alcolhol, it starts to etch the alummunn tank. After a bit of time, that crap carrys over to your injectors or carbs. Rebuilding them, one will find a white powder build up pluging up jets.
To help provent the later problem, use 10 micro prefilters. Yes all newer motors do have a filter, but an extra prefilter will save you bucks in the long run. They are a lot cheapper then name brand filters for your motor. Make sure the you are using atleast a 3/8" inlet and outlet on a prefilter. You do not want to run your motor lean with a smaller prefilter. Read your manual on installing one.
Posted on 8/8/11 at 8:49 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Our boat has 8,000 miles on it and roughly 400 he's it is only one year old almost to the date and this past weekend we had ethanol problems we have never put anything but ethanol free fuel in our boat. We run at least 260 gallons per weekend.
Ethanol free fuel is really just less ethanol all fuel these days has ethanol it
Ethanol free fuel is really just less ethanol all fuel these days has ethanol it
Posted on 8/9/11 at 6:57 am to Boats n Hose
For 2 strokes, The reeds in the jets will stick if it is done too often. Also, running the fuel out also means you have no oil on the cylinder walls durimg your next startup.
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