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Dog snake bite

Posted on 7/10/26 at 9:38 pm
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 7/10/26 at 9:38 pm
Had a thread on here a couple years back where 2 of my pups got popped, one died after 4 vials of antivenom and one made it out fine after 1. There was a lot of back and forth in that thread and the board in general on if dogs actually need antivenom for a snake bite.

Well unfortunately for me, the dog that survived the last bite to his paw, got bit again June 16th. Since he had antivenom before, the vet strongly suggested against it as the risk of anaphylactic shock was high.

Pepper spent 6 nights at the vet, he was on a steady regimen of Benadryl, steroids, and antibiotics. He ended up needing additional treatment for necrosis, red light therapy and topical stuff.

$2,100 later he was back home. He is still not 100% healed. He is a GSP used to running 7-9 miles a day, and this has taken its toll on him now to the point that he is whipped after 20 minutes or so outside in the heat. He lost 15 lbs during the ordeal and he is overall lucky to still be walking around.

I don't have an opinion on it either way, I listen to our vet that we trust. I know some will say they wouldn't have paid that, but he is a part of our family and we have a duty to treat him as such. Just some information, technically yes he did make it without antivenom, but it surely wasn't as simple as some Benadryl. He just now healed enough to stop bleeding.

1 day after the bite at the vet, I got him there early before the swelling even started.


2 weeks after the bite (graphic sorry)


This week, feeling good enough to get some outside smell on him.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
50906 posts
Posted on 7/10/26 at 9:44 pm to
bites to the face are far more dangerous than bites to an extremity. My mutts have both been bitten several times, both got antivenom the first time (and second time) and for one of them it was touch and go…had to do a full transfusion and we did not think she would make it.

the last time though (in may) it was a hind leg bite, I gave her Benadryl, prednisone and a gabapentin and she shook it off after a couple days. You just never know I guess
Posted by LSUJML
Central
Member since May 2008
56864 posts
Posted on 7/10/26 at 9:52 pm to
Glad he’s ok
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
7510 posts
Posted on 7/10/26 at 9:53 pm to
quote:

You just never know I guess


I think this is the biggest thing. So many variables.

I actually thought during the whole process how insane tiger dad is
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
6036 posts
Posted on 7/10/26 at 10:28 pm to
For all that he had done and time at vet, I wouldn't been surprised if you said it was 5k.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
18362 posts
Posted on 7/10/26 at 10:54 pm to
My wife is a vet, I’m not one nor do I claim to be. The back and forth comes from people not distinguishing between species of snakes.

Copperhead bites will usually be a lot of swelling and not much else, their venom just isn’t as toxic as others. This is why people perpetuate the myth that dogs don’t need antivenin. Copperheads are the easiest snake for a dog to cross paths with in the south, so a lot of people have seen a dog get bit and shake it off.

Cottonmouths are a step up from copperheads but still are more likely to cause local damage as opposed to systemic failure.

Rattlesnakes are on a different level. They’re far and away responsible for the fatal bites she sees. If you have a basic understanding of snakes and know your dog was bitten by a rattlesnake, eastern or timber, get them to a vet ASAP and clearly communicate that. Best case they can treat and worst case they can euthanize before you wrack up thousands of dollars treating a lost cause.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21440 posts
Posted on 7/10/26 at 11:08 pm to
Man, that day 1, swollen head, can't even lift it brings back memories. Also, snake venom is not a histamine. Diphenhydramine isn't doing anything helpful.
Posted by WillFerrellisking
Member since Jun 2019
3064 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 4:50 am to
My vet in MS gives my labs a rattle snake shot once a year. I have no idea what this does in terms of what will happen if they ever get bit by one.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41937 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 8:10 am to
I'm curious about that rattlesnake "vaccine", too.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
24509 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 8:20 am to
There was a man that used to inject himself with small amounts of deadly snake venom weekly. We're talking about the worst venom in the world.

He developed an immunity to a lot of them.

Believe he was in Australia.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
50906 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 8:23 am to
supposedly it builds antibodies in the bloodstream so that a subsequent bite isn’t so severe in effects.

honestly, snake avoidance training is more effective thing to do
Posted by hubreb
Member since Nov 2008
2166 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 9:17 am to
My dog got bit on the face a month ago, most likely a moccasin. Neck swollen huge and foaming at the mouth. Brought to emergency vet at 10:30pm, picked him up next morning at 9a.m. - one vile anti-venom and $2k. Was completely fine 2 days later.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
7510 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 9:38 am to
quote:

snake avoidance training


I have started looking into this. There's a group that does it across the south east. Gotta be cheaper than the vet bills. The GSP is smart enough he will figure it out.

My other dog already knows, he sees a snake and he's like nah frick that thing.
Posted by WeagleEagle
Folsom Prison
Member since Sep 2011
2647 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 9:48 am to
I looked into it a while back. I don’t believe it was effective on the eastern diamond backs we have here in North Florida.
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
19865 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 9:53 am to
quote:

For all that he had done and time at vet, I wouldn't been surprised if you said it was 5k.


shite after 2 emergency vet visits for my Dane I wouldn’t be surprised at 10k.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41937 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 9:58 am to
Thanks
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
35738 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 10:17 am to
Wood cock group is holding one here soon
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112757 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 11:41 am to
My dog got popped by a few snakes and it’s never been that bad

But up in South Dakota last year he got into an absolute galactic battle with a badger.

Trying to teach dogs , especially hunting dogs, to stay away from creatures is such a hard task
Posted by Bigsampson
Fort Worth
Member since Apr 2017
452 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 12:27 pm to
So, I grew up in La. Had dogs bit by copperheads and moccasins. No fatalities, but some ugly, festering wounds.
Now live in Texas.
Our country vet, and all the neighbors highly recommended the rattlesnake shot. They all said the same thing. It won’t make your dog immune to snake bites, but will give them time and resist the poison, maybe reduce or eliminate antivenin requirements.
Both or dogs get them every year. About $95 each.
Two shots on year 1. One shot per year after.
The vet had a sign in the waiting room. Had dogs, cats, horses, cows etc on the left side, months across the top so you could see how many of each kind of animals were getting bit. I always found it interesting to see. The numbers of dogs and cats were very high, 6 or 8 per month in the spring and fall, less in the summer and usually zero in the winter. But the numbers really added up.
The only venomous snake we had around our place was rattlers. Killed two or 3 an every year. Over the past seven years, Dogs never got bit. Thankfully.
We were south of Fort Worth last spring walking a creek.
My lab got bit by something on top of his head, above one ear.
I didn’t notice till we got home hours later. He never yelped or acted like he got bit. He is a bit of a tank. We saw it when we were sitting on the couch.
That evening, the area swole up a bit and the bite marks were very evident. We think it was probably a copperhead, maybe a moccasin.
He never exhibited any signs of sickness or problems of any sort.
We went to our place south of Abeline two days later, and was talking to our vet about other stuff and told him about the bite.
He said he would come by for a look.
There was still a bit of drainage, but minimal necrosis and dog was normal crazy self.
The vet was very happy w how it looked and said the snake shot probably helped. He said as long as it didn’t swell back up or started draining pus, he was good to go. I told him I thought it only worked on rattlesnakes. He said no, his experience was that it helped against all snakes.
This guy sees about 30 to 40 animals a year bit by venomous snakes out in the country. That is good enough for me.
100 bucks a year is cheap insurance.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
50906 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 4:14 pm to
quote:

Trying to teach dogs , especially hunting dogs, to stay away from creatures is such a hard task
big difference between mammals and reptiles to a dog. Snakes stink, if you think you smell the musk your dog is getting it 20x. They use defanged snakes and a shock collar. It isn’t a negotiation…the ones I’ve seen shock the dog every time he approaches until he stops. Then they do it again. It eventually sinks in
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