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Diesel price outlook with Maritime changes
Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:01 pm
I don't claim to be an economist, so most of this is like its in another language to me. anyways, looking at buying a 3/4 ton in the next week or so and a friend told me to check out the changes starting in 2020 around Diesel requirements for ships and how it will effect prices. Any of you guys been looking at this and what are your thoughts?
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:10 pm to bonescanner
Not gonna buy a diesel truck unless it is a need and not a want. Had an F250 and a GMC 2500. Operations cost and overall value just doesn't work out on paper for me. Ill stick to my 1500 class gas burners. I don't pull something every week to constitute the need for the cost of maintaining a bigger truck. And don't need one for a dick measuring stick like every want to be pipeliner and plant BAW I see around the area.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:11 pm to bonescanner
Marine is now tier 4 for all engines over something like 805 hp, which means after treatment for the high speed engines and most of the medium speeds.
I'm not sure what he predicts that will do to diesel prices though. Fuel consumption on the big engines is slightly better than the tier 3's. Theres no big profound change in either direction on the horizon that I am aware of.
I'm not sure what he predicts that will do to diesel prices though. Fuel consumption on the big engines is slightly better than the tier 3's. Theres no big profound change in either direction on the horizon that I am aware of.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:16 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
what I'm reading is that all offshore ships will have to start using ultra low sulphur diesel by 2020 so there will be a huge shift in demand. I don't really pull anything really heavy, more want the diesel due to the fact they last so much longer than a gas engine. I bought the 1500 ecodiesel for that reason, but lets just say it didn't last very long. Been sitting in the service dept since Sept 11th with a brand new engine that they cant get running right.
brand new as in the original blew up on me.
brand new as in the original blew up on me.
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:16 pm to bonescanner
I know the refinery in St. Croix is being refurbished to make fuel specifically for ships. The refinery currently isn't running so this won't affect the current supply.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:35 pm to bonescanner
Just bought me an F250 w chrome truck nuts. Suck my smoke stacks baws!!! #teamrollincoal
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:03 pm to bonescanner
Tier 4 vessels (there are many out there now) are already running ULSD. There will not be any huge shift in demand. Most diesel being sold in north America is ULSD.
The European market and others are going to IMO 3 emission regs which require ulsd. That will be a big increase on ulsd consumption but ulsd production will easily offset that. None of that stuff will have a measurable impact on a pickup truck drivers wallet at the pump.
Dont get a diesel unless you pull heavy shite daily. A modern diesel engine that is being babied will not last nearly as long as a modern gas burner. It will be significantly more expensive up front, significantly more expensive to operate, and have significantly more expensive repairs.
The European market and others are going to IMO 3 emission regs which require ulsd. That will be a big increase on ulsd consumption but ulsd production will easily offset that. None of that stuff will have a measurable impact on a pickup truck drivers wallet at the pump.
Dont get a diesel unless you pull heavy shite daily. A modern diesel engine that is being babied will not last nearly as long as a modern gas burner. It will be significantly more expensive up front, significantly more expensive to operate, and have significantly more expensive repairs.
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:07 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Dont get a diesel unless you pull heavy shite daily. A modern diesel engine that is being babied will not last nearly as long as a modern gas burner. It will be significantly more expensive up front, significantly more expensive to operate, and have significantly more expensive repairs.
Is this just for the new diesel engines? I know of several Cummins that are well over 500,000 and still running.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:15 pm to bonescanner
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I don't really pull anything really heavy, more want the diesel due to the fact they last so much longer than a gas engine. I bought the 1500 ecodiesel for that reason, but lets just say it didn't last very long. Been sitting in the service dept since Sept 11th with a brand new engine that they cant get running right. brand new as in the original blew up on me.
How many people do you know that have replaced a gas engine due to it being worn out? I honestly don’t think I know a single person. In college my wife got a brand new accord and after we married I drove it to 239k miles. I’m the only person I personally know that has put that many miles on a new vehicle.
You are buying for the wrong reason. It’s your money, but you are worried about an odd issue over an odd purchase.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:18 pm to bonescanner
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Is this just for the new diesel engines? I know of several Cummins that are well over 500,000 and still running
Diesels are built to work under load, under stress. I’m no diesel pro, but it’s actually not good for the motor’s long term life span to drive a diesel truck and not routinely tow something. So if you aren’t towing anything weekly, that’s bad for the engine and would be goofy to buy a diesel for long term life with those criteria.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:42 pm to baldona
If you believe that you are a very stupid sumbitch.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:43 pm to bonescanner
New diesels are more susceptible to light loading issues than the old ones were. Mostly due to emissions control but not completely.
Buying a diesel is a very bad financial decision for the majority of people.
Buying a diesel is a very bad financial decision for the majority of people.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:52 pm to bonescanner
Your claim to fame is they last so much longer than a gas enigine.
1. When was the last time you just heard of a group of gas engines in any particular model going bad?
2. After about 250,000 miles your gonna trade it in cause the rest of the truck is wore out or beat to shite anyway so what's the difference except a ton of cost?
3. How many people you know that keep a beater so long as to accumulate more than 300K miles on a regular basis?
4. Fuel is more expensive and less gas milage without a ton program upgrade, chip, delete you name it and all that really does is void warranties and get milage up to what gas burners already run so basically more money out the window.
5. Oil changes are double the price but you don't get double the usage out of it as most gas burners now easily go 10K miles between changes also on synthetics.
6. Been there done that and learned my mistakes. Unless your in the business of hauling weekly it is a money pit and a damn deep one.
1. When was the last time you just heard of a group of gas engines in any particular model going bad?
2. After about 250,000 miles your gonna trade it in cause the rest of the truck is wore out or beat to shite anyway so what's the difference except a ton of cost?
3. How many people you know that keep a beater so long as to accumulate more than 300K miles on a regular basis?
4. Fuel is more expensive and less gas milage without a ton program upgrade, chip, delete you name it and all that really does is void warranties and get milage up to what gas burners already run so basically more money out the window.
5. Oil changes are double the price but you don't get double the usage out of it as most gas burners now easily go 10K miles between changes also on synthetics.
6. Been there done that and learned my mistakes. Unless your in the business of hauling weekly it is a money pit and a damn deep one.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:08 pm to Boat Motor Bandit
I just got rid of an 04 Chevy 3/4ton gasser that drug tractors and loads of cattle down the interstate for 12 years before I got it. It's still out there running great with something like 285k miles.
Modern gas motors are incredible. They last forever and make tons of power. You have to pull very heavy very frequently to wear out a gasser. If you arent making money with it you probably dont need a diesel.
Modern gas motors are incredible. They last forever and make tons of power. You have to pull very heavy very frequently to wear out a gasser. If you arent making money with it you probably dont need a diesel.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:15 pm to JusTrollin
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If you believe that you are a very stupid sumbitch.
I’m not even sure what you are referring to?
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:18 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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just got rid of an 04 Chevy 3/4ton gasser that drug tractors and loads of cattle down the interstate for 12 years before I got it. It's still out there running great with something like 285k miles
If OP was talking about buying a vehicle with 200k+ miles I’d agree. But it sounded like he wanted to buy new with plans to keep it forever. I agree plenty of cars will last a long time, but very few people keep a vehicle for 200k+ miles themselves.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:21 pm to baldona
Ya'll forgot the; resell value is great on a diesel 
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:38 pm to bonescanner
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I bought the 1500 Ecodiesel
I've been lucky I guess. My Ecodiesel has been flawless. How many miles when it blew?
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:52 pm to bonescanner
shite's $3/gallon around Shreveport - I thought we were already at peak price? 
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:02 pm to White Bear
Diesel price is out of hand. Like it's said above, if you aren't towing daily and all day they don't make sense. I have a diesel Jetta. Yeah it gets close to 50 mpg but today's small cars are getting close to that on gas, which is initially cheaper. Diesel just isn't worth it in most cases.
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