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re: Dept. of Wildlife and Fisheries Commission, wtf.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:29 am to civiltiger07
Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:29 am to civiltiger07
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ole' Chad manages the property for Miami Land Corporation which is pretty much all on the coast. So needless to say he has a personal interest in early season dates.
If actually the case, file complaints. With current ethics laws he could do time. Seriously.
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:34 am to AlxTgr
sarchasm bro
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:07 am to X123F45
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If actually the case, file complaints. With current ethics laws he could do time. Seriously.
good luck with that
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:14 am to Spankum
No I didn't fill out the questionaire, didn't fill like it would impact my duck hunting. Have before, not this year. Like I stated, I don't care about any zone but the west. The splits used to split the state in half, but the commission saw fit to adjust by creating a coastal zone and making the step child west zone even smaller. And treating it as such. Its taxation without representation. This will be no email, it will be an effort. A grass roots effort to either abolish this stupid commission, or create one that represents hunters throughout the state. Anybody interested in this effort please email me at hood1957@yahoo. I am already getting a letter together to send to every state politician, and with the election right around the corner, this is a good time to strike. If they feel like they need reps to rep the coast, create a coastal commission that oversees the fishing and fur trade. Then 4 or 5 reps to handle the rest of the state and have each part of the state represented. This is murica!
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:17 am to VernonPLSUfan
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didn't fill like it would impact my duck hunting
that's like bitching about a person that was elected even though you didn't vote...
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:54 am to VernonPLSUfan
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Its taxation without representation.
No, it's not.
Welcome to Louisiana. The population is in the southern part of the state and therefore that's where the political power is located. The only time most of south Louisiana thinks anything of the rest of the state is when they want our players to go to LSU.
That said, I duck hunt in Jackson and Winn parishes, mailing shooting mallards, wood ducks and lately, a few teal out of beaver ponds. I welcome the additional days at the end of the second split.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 12:11 pm to TigerDeacon
Ok, go hide your head in the ground. I'll take this on.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:25 pm to VernonPLSUfan
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Ok, go hide your head in the ground. I'll take this on.
Because I agree with them pushing back the East zone season by a week?
Posted on 8/11/15 at 12:30 pm to VernonPLSUfan
Here are the following responses I received from Mr. Chad Courville & Mr. Bart Yakupzack on me asking why the season dates were changed.
Mr. Courville's response:
Here is what I have shared with others with similar concerns to yours. Please keep in mind the percentages provided in many formats related to hunter opinion are of survey participants, not total hunters.
“Thanks for your question. The harvest statistics suggest that we shoot more birds early than late in the coastal zone (both west and east side). Significantly more.
The West Zone data suggests a similar trend with more early success than late but it isn't as pronounced. The West Zone shows decent late season success which is the reason for that season recommendation.
East Zone data hasn't been as easy to come by but based on what we know that season makes sense at least in the absence of good harvest data.
At the meeting I asked for harvest data by zone, by day, by species. Harvest data analysis uses 10 years of data so you get better representation across the region.
A theory on those stats is that while there may be fewer birds in the region in Nov, the birds may be more vulnerable to hunters which results in those harvest data.
Rest assured, if the harvest data for the coastal zone indicates significantly better January harvest, I will be the first to advocate for a later season. I would say the same for any zone as I believe harvest statistics should be the primary driver in season setting.
Many go out after the season and see lots of ducks. Pressure, especially gun pressure, influences bird behavior and when you take it off they show up. Couple that with the Spring migration from SOUTH to NORTH from Mexico and S America, you get a lot of birds showing up in places they haven't been.
There are a tremendous number of birds who move through this state starting in Sept, Oct, and Nov. Granted they are non-mallards but frankly the coastal harvest only occasionally will show high numbers of mallards. The birds species by day will shed a lot of light on this when it becomes available.
It is my belief that the purpose of a waterfowl season is to maximize opportunity, in each zone, for the people of this state to harvest birds within the framework provided by USFWS. To do that I believe you must look at migration chronology, species by zone, and harvest statistics.
The harvest data certainly needs to be built upon and refined, but based on what we currently have, I believe the season recommendations are consistent with the data we have.
Hope that answers some of your questions.”
Mr. Bart's response:
Good afternoon. It's a controversial decision every year that is never unanimous amongst hunters with varying interests. I've received as many "thank you" emails and calls as I have those like yours that are not pleased with the Commission's decision.
All factors considered, whether harvest data (that we currently have), Larry's proposal, hunter opinion, etc, I believe the anchor target date for opening the coastal zone is the 10th of November. My current thinking (which could certainly change based on factors changing) is that the closer we can get to that date, whether the first or second Saturday -- that's where we need to be. I think that is the best compromise for all. Some years some will be happier others not, but it will come around.
In case you are not aware, as per new federal guidelines, the commission will be considering zone changes and setting the 2016-17 season in Dec/Jan (Only 4 months from now). I encourage you to attend a local meeting (to be set) or the commission meetings.
Thank you,
Bart
Mr. Courville's response:
Here is what I have shared with others with similar concerns to yours. Please keep in mind the percentages provided in many formats related to hunter opinion are of survey participants, not total hunters.
“Thanks for your question. The harvest statistics suggest that we shoot more birds early than late in the coastal zone (both west and east side). Significantly more.
The West Zone data suggests a similar trend with more early success than late but it isn't as pronounced. The West Zone shows decent late season success which is the reason for that season recommendation.
East Zone data hasn't been as easy to come by but based on what we know that season makes sense at least in the absence of good harvest data.
At the meeting I asked for harvest data by zone, by day, by species. Harvest data analysis uses 10 years of data so you get better representation across the region.
A theory on those stats is that while there may be fewer birds in the region in Nov, the birds may be more vulnerable to hunters which results in those harvest data.
Rest assured, if the harvest data for the coastal zone indicates significantly better January harvest, I will be the first to advocate for a later season. I would say the same for any zone as I believe harvest statistics should be the primary driver in season setting.
Many go out after the season and see lots of ducks. Pressure, especially gun pressure, influences bird behavior and when you take it off they show up. Couple that with the Spring migration from SOUTH to NORTH from Mexico and S America, you get a lot of birds showing up in places they haven't been.
There are a tremendous number of birds who move through this state starting in Sept, Oct, and Nov. Granted they are non-mallards but frankly the coastal harvest only occasionally will show high numbers of mallards. The birds species by day will shed a lot of light on this when it becomes available.
It is my belief that the purpose of a waterfowl season is to maximize opportunity, in each zone, for the people of this state to harvest birds within the framework provided by USFWS. To do that I believe you must look at migration chronology, species by zone, and harvest statistics.
The harvest data certainly needs to be built upon and refined, but based on what we currently have, I believe the season recommendations are consistent with the data we have.
Hope that answers some of your questions.”
Mr. Bart's response:
Good afternoon. It's a controversial decision every year that is never unanimous amongst hunters with varying interests. I've received as many "thank you" emails and calls as I have those like yours that are not pleased with the Commission's decision.
All factors considered, whether harvest data (that we currently have), Larry's proposal, hunter opinion, etc, I believe the anchor target date for opening the coastal zone is the 10th of November. My current thinking (which could certainly change based on factors changing) is that the closer we can get to that date, whether the first or second Saturday -- that's where we need to be. I think that is the best compromise for all. Some years some will be happier others not, but it will come around.
In case you are not aware, as per new federal guidelines, the commission will be considering zone changes and setting the 2016-17 season in Dec/Jan (Only 4 months from now). I encourage you to attend a local meeting (to be set) or the commission meetings.
Thank you,
Bart
Posted on 8/11/15 at 12:40 pm to Mgarcia6518
I got the same responses, and to date they are the only ones who have responded. I have also left voice mails for the others.
I think as the commission is currently made up we this is what our season will be. However there are a lot of meeting coming up to set the zones and supposedly state wide, if we want change, we need to attend.
I think as the commission is currently made up we this is what our season will be. However there are a lot of meeting coming up to set the zones and supposedly state wide, if we want change, we need to attend.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 12:48 pm to gaetti15
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If actually the case, file complaints. With current ethics laws he could do time. Seriously.
good luck with that
I don't think you realize how seriously they have started taking violations of ethics laws.
Seek an advisory opinion from the board of ethics. If their opinion is that to engage in such behavior would be an ethics violation, file an actual complaint with their opinion included.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 1:31 pm to X123F45
yeah, we do have the "gold standard" of ethics.
This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 8/11/15 at 1:32 pm to X123F45
If he is in fact over Miami corp leases, wouldn't you think he has a better knowledge of what his properties hold bird wise year in and year out? I know I managed a lot of property in Terrebonne parish and developed a very good relationship with the land manager for CP. He flies ALL their property every Tuesday weather permitting. He can tell me what birds are where and what types. If they hold with the weekend closest to 11/10 for opener I'm good with that and I really like the 2 week statewide split. Gives someone time to make a legit conversation goose hunt. I am pissed they left specs on the table, I'm still scratching my head on that one.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 1:56 pm to Mung
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yeah, we do have the "gold standard" of ethics.
pretty much what I was going for.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 2:12 pm to Mgarcia6518
Those respones are typical of a politician, not somebody appointed to a commission. Still doesn't satisfy my question as to why does 6 of the 7 on the commission reside below hwy.190? And look at other factores that aren't mentioned like weather and rain. If you don't have either, then it doesn't matter when you hunt, the birds will not be there.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 2:41 pm to Mgarcia6518
How did you contact them?
Posted on 8/11/15 at 3:15 pm to Capt ST
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If he is in fact over Miami corp leases
LINK
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wouldn't you think he has a better knowledge of what his properties hold bird wise year in and year out?
key word in that statement is "his properties". While Miami Corp. does own a lot of land the Coastal Zone isn't made up of only Miami Corp. Property.
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conversation
Switch the "S" and the "V".
Posted on 8/11/15 at 6:35 pm to civiltiger07
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key word in that statement is "his properties". While Miami Corp. does own a lot of land the Coastal Zone isn't made up of only Miami Corp. Property.
Its a widely accepted fact that big oil fixes gas prices. So why is it so far fetched that Miami, Conoco, Apache, BP and Continental would fix duck seasons so their clients could shoot teal and trash ducks in the early season with moderate temps? Nobody wants to be in the blind in Jan when millions of red legged green heads invade our coastal marshes.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:58 pm to GonePecan
Todd Mason from NOLA.com wrote an article about the season and gave out their contact information.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 5:47 am to Mgarcia6518
Ok, I just found the one where he gave their emails. Just realized they gave us 81 days for speck hunting instead of the proposed 88. Thanks
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