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re: Deer Age? Choot em?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:32 am to The Levee
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:32 am to The Levee
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1.5 My advice (this worked for us) is to not shoot any of those bucks. Even the spike...I had a spike that looked like that and ended up having a great rack.....not a great spread but very tall and thick. Shoot the HELL out of some doe's this season. Shoot like 10. You'll notice that will add mass to the bucks antlers more than anything. If there are too many doe's (this is a problem everywhere) the bucks dont have a need to grow big antlers in South MS. They dont need to compete for them.
I’d much rather shoot a 100 inch 5 year old 8 than a 1 to 2 year old spike.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:52 am to Canon951
I was thinking more yearlings
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:57 am to Theboot32
“He was never going to be bigger than a spike”
“If I don’t kill ‘em the neighbors will”
“Damned dogs have turned them nocturnal”
New for 2024: “CWD infects old deer so you have to shoot ‘em young”
“If I don’t kill ‘em the neighbors will”
“Damned dogs have turned them nocturnal”
New for 2024: “CWD infects old deer so you have to shoot ‘em young”
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:06 am to Theboot32
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These are south Mississippi deer, we have 150 acres
Maybee im getting old but 150 acreas in south Mississippi is not going to get you far in terms of management. Have a good time, relax and shoot what you want.
Just my opinion.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:07 am to Theboot32
I see 2.5 year old deer (really 2 yo in Sep) except the spike which may be 1.5.
Let them all walk. Numerous studies have been done on whether genetics can be successfully managed on <1000 acre tracts and they cannot.
Another consideration is if your neighboring land owners are managing….or not. If those are only bucks that you have pics of, I’d guess they are shooting 2.5 yo bucks.
In that case, that’s what the population will largely consist of every year unless any sneak by and don’t get killed.
It’s a tough putt, but if you can get adjoining landowners to cooperate and manage to a similar standard, you can grow mature bucks, ie 4.5 yo or older. If your neighbors are brown it’s down, it just ain’t gonna happen.
QDMA has some good stuff on COOP’s. I’m in SW MS too, 400 acres with large adjoining landowners and thankfully we manage to similar standards and have had good success with growing mature bucks.
Let them all walk. Numerous studies have been done on whether genetics can be successfully managed on <1000 acre tracts and they cannot.
Another consideration is if your neighboring land owners are managing….or not. If those are only bucks that you have pics of, I’d guess they are shooting 2.5 yo bucks.
In that case, that’s what the population will largely consist of every year unless any sneak by and don’t get killed.
It’s a tough putt, but if you can get adjoining landowners to cooperate and manage to a similar standard, you can grow mature bucks, ie 4.5 yo or older. If your neighbors are brown it’s down, it just ain’t gonna happen.
QDMA has some good stuff on COOP’s. I’m in SW MS too, 400 acres with large adjoining landowners and thankfully we manage to similar standards and have had good success with growing mature bucks.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:50 am to Tigre85
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Shoot the spike to get out of gene pool .
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:54 am to Purple Spoon
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Maybee im getting old but 150 acreas in south Mississippi is not going to get you far in terms of management. Have a good time, relax and shoot what you want.
Just my opinion.
I disagree....1. get sunlight on the floor and feed year round with summer plots and supplemental feeding.
2. Talk to your neighbors and agree on a certain age (unless its a kid shooting).
3. Kill Doe's.....on your 150 acres I'd bet you have too many deer that will deplete the resources for the bucks. With 150 acres, you should kill 6 doe's. Put excluders out in the food plots to get a more accurate assessment on your herd.
If you want bigger bucks, you MUST maintain a healthy number of deer.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 12:04 pm to The Levee
I’ll make it as simple as it can be. If you are happy with any of those deer and want to shoot them then do so and have a good time. But don’t fool yourself into thinking you’re doing any management by shooting them.
By asking the question I assume you’re wanting to manage your deer herd and shoot bigger deer. You need to give all of those bucks a few more years and if the neighbors shoot them then so be it. If you’re wanting to consistently kill 3 or 4, much less 5+ year old mature bucks then the #1 thing you can control is your trigger finger. I promise you they won’t get any older if you shoot them at 1 or 2.
By asking the question I assume you’re wanting to manage your deer herd and shoot bigger deer. You need to give all of those bucks a few more years and if the neighbors shoot them then so be it. If you’re wanting to consistently kill 3 or 4, much less 5+ year old mature bucks then the #1 thing you can control is your trigger finger. I promise you they won’t get any older if you shoot them at 1 or 2.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 12:15 pm to The Levee
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2. Talk to your neighbors and agree on a certain age (unless its a kid shooting
Biggest obstacle for most.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 12:21 pm to Woodbird
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the #1 thing you can control is your trigger finger. I promise you they won’t get any older if you shoot them at 1 or 2.
This....want bigger bucks? Add more birthdays.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 12:22 pm to Purple Spoon
quote:
Biggest obstacle for most.
Trust me, I know. lol
Posted on 9/25/24 at 1:35 pm to Theboot32
First deer 1 1/2, probably same for the spike. Leave them alone, shoot does instead.
The rest between 2 1/2 to 3 1/2. Leave alone. You will never shoot big deer if you don't let the young ones walk. You can say another hunter will kill; they will never be anything etc... It's all wrong.
Age is the only thing that will show you what you have, and what the potential is of the property. I would shoot older deer and does. If they have swayed back, bellies hanging, defined brisket, chances are they are old enough. To tell the true age you need the teeth, you won't get the real age without it.
You have deer, so that's the good news. To tell what you really have just takes time.
The rest between 2 1/2 to 3 1/2. Leave alone. You will never shoot big deer if you don't let the young ones walk. You can say another hunter will kill; they will never be anything etc... It's all wrong.
Age is the only thing that will show you what you have, and what the potential is of the property. I would shoot older deer and does. If they have swayed back, bellies hanging, defined brisket, chances are they are old enough. To tell the true age you need the teeth, you won't get the real age without it.
You have deer, so that's the good news. To tell what you really have just takes time.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 1:42 pm to Louie
Good points. To expand on this
Look for these traits before pulling the trigger
1. Short legs
2. Big sagging belly
3. the chest is not well defined...older deer don't show muscle in the brisket area. If they are older than 5 its one, continuous line from jaw to bottom of chest.
Look for these traits before pulling the trigger
1. Short legs
2. Big sagging belly
3. the chest is not well defined...older deer don't show muscle in the brisket area. If they are older than 5 its one, continuous line from jaw to bottom of chest.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 2:00 pm to Theboot32
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but how do you keep track of them from year to year? Like how did you know that it wasthe same deer?
You don't have to. MS State and Texas A&M have done the work for you. The odds of a wild ranging spike being a spike at 2.5 are slim to none.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 2:37 pm to Theboot32
quote:I'd let every single one of those bucks walk. They are younger deer, and you'd get more meat from a mature doe.
Well I appreciate it but I’m looking for advice, what would yall do?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:08 pm to AFtigerFan
Appreciate the info fellas, letting these guys walk sounds like a good plan. Will try and get in touch with neighbors. One side is a Weyerhaeuser lease, which I am trying to buy, and the west side borders a high fence. If we can get what we want around there this will wind up being about 400 acres, but may wind up being further down the road.
Anyone have a link to the studies showing that a spike won’t be a spike forever? Need to send that to some folks
Anyone have a link to the studies showing that a spike won’t be a spike forever? Need to send that to some folks
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:40 pm to Tigre85
Ask Spring Bayou in Madison Parish how that worked out for them in the 70's. Biologists said shoot all the spikes because they are inferior. Wrong. Before long they had no bucks on that place to speak of
Posted on 9/25/24 at 4:08 pm to mcpotiger
quote:David Moreland?
Biologists said shoot all the spikes because they are inferior.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 4:33 pm to White Bear
Not sure who led the charge on that .
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